Why did God kill Haitian babies?
Isn’t it heartwarming to see Christian organizations and Christian volunteers working hard to help earthquake survivors in Haiti? How nice. How charitable. How Christian. How insane.
Yes, insane. Isn’t it crazy for Christians to be helping Haitians? After all, wasn’t it their god who turned Port-au-Prince upside down in the first place? If God runs the world and controls every little detail—as many Christians claim—then surely he caused the earthquake. He must have made it happen or, at the very least, chose not to stop it from it happening. Either way, he is responsible. Clearly it was his choice for thousands of Haitians, many of them babies, to suffer and die. If not, he would have lifted a magical finger to prevent it, right? So that leads us to a curious point: why have some Christians been trying to undermine their god’s work by saving Haitians and lessening their suffering? Isn’t it un-Christian to work against God’s work?
One has to sympathise with fundamentalist Christians in the wake of major natural disasters such as the Haiti earthquake (as well those Muslims and Jews who see the hand of God in everything). Their minds must be tormented by the jarring contradiction of a good and loving god who buries babies under tons of concrete.
Oh, I know, I’ve heard all about how disease, tsunamis, and earthquakes are our fault. We deserve them because some goofball named Adam ate an apple back in the day. We have to inhabit a dangerous and deadly world today thanks to his fall from grace. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Because of a single dietary rule infraction by Adam many thousands of years ago, Haitian babies deserve to have buildings fall on their heads in the year 2010. What else but religion can so twist and deaden a mind to a state where something like this makes sense? Only the madness of faith can lead someone to excuse the brutal death of a child by citing some imaginary prehistoric “crime”. How about if I come to your house, drop a concrete block on your puppy, and then tell you it was justified because the world’s first dog bit somebody thousands of years ago? Would you be cool with that? Didn’t think so.
How can decent and sensible Christians make sense out of their “God of love” being behind the sort of merciless destruction Haiti suffered? Do a minimal amount of thinking and it’s plain to see that something is seriously wrong here. The best the preachers ever come up with in their attempts to explain such events is the pathetic “God works in mysterious ways” copout. Yes, crushing thousands of children to death because “He so loves the world” is mysterious indeed. Even worse, some preachers say these things happen because God wants to test people’s faith. I suspect the value of that lesson may have been lost on the babies who slowly and painfully bled to death in the rubble that was Port-au-Prince.
True to form, American preacher Pat Robertson stuffed his foot in his mouth once again when he attempted to explain the Haiti disaster. He stated with certainty on his television show that Haitians had made a pact with the devil in order to escape slavery more than 200 years ago and God was still punishing them for it. How nice. Even as babies were dying agonizing deaths, Robertson was busy excusing it all away.
Ridiculous as Robertson’s claim is, let’s go ahead and accept for the moment that some evil fallen angel with a chip on his shoulder once struck a deal with a bunch of slaves and this angered God so much that he cursed Haiti forever. If this is the case, why haven’t Robertson and others who believe this nutty story paused to ask themselves why their God felt it was appropriate to entomb babies and leave them to choke to death on dust and dirt as punishment for something their distant ancestors did so long ago? What sort of justice is that? What sort of a god would do that? It’s not like we don’t know better. If powerful human leaders kill people because of their ancestry or do anything that even approaches the level of barbarism suggested by Robertson’s Haiti scenario, we condemn them as genocidal madmen.
I have heard some Caymanians in the past claim that the popularity of voodoo in Haiti led God to curse that nation and condemn it to severe poverty. No doubt, some Caymanians probably tried to connect voodoo and divine curses to the earthquake as well. Again, this is an absurd thing to believe, but even if it was true, good-hearted Christians should be disturbed. So what if some adult Haitians are naïve enough to believe in voodoo? How exactly does this justify impoverished children starving or babies dying in an earthquake?
Hopefully, events like this tragic earthquake will erode a bit of confidence in some believers. Maybe, in the cold shadow of more than 200,000 dead Haitians, they will reconsider their admiration for a god who is so cruel and indifferent to human suffering. Perhaps some Christians will even go so far as to consider the likelihood that a loving god who would bury babies beneath fallen buildings does not even exist in the first place. Let’s hope so, because our world needs a little less religion and a lot more humanity these days.
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What I don't understand is
What I don't understand is why athiests question the possibility of a higher being repeatedly if they don't want to someday be convinced by some (Christian) who is able to string together the most fitting explanations and "real talk" that one exists.
Deep down we all hope for a God of sorts, if not to know that we "are not alone" but to have someone or something to blame tragedy on. This inkling of a feeling is faith. Some people choose to back their faith up with stories created millions of years ago and also choose to make it their lifetime committment to encourage others to believe as strongly as they do. Let them be.
If you are asking questions, I assume you want answers - and by answers I can rightfully assume you want to expand your knowledge and diminish any ignorance you may have even if you are unaware of it. Don't let the persistence, ways and faith of others distract you from your own. If you don't believe, then don't ask; if you feel millions of Christians are wasting their time, then chuckle to yourself rather than about the "poor soul" who believes more in something than you ever will.
Everyday people turn a blind eye to the problems of the world, so ask yourself why you chose to read this article (and to comment) if not slightly interested.
For what it's worth, though, I don't think it's fair to only bring up the nature of death when it is in such massive form as the earthquake in Haiti. Just because we heard about it doesn't mean people aren't dying every day of disease no matter how rich or poor. It doesn't mean people don't lose their entire family due to other causes every day. It doesn't mean people don't KEEP on LIVING in pain for decades or cause others to live their entire lives in pain.
If you are at peace with your faith whether it be in the slightest (and you have that much if you've read this much of my post), or so great that it consumes your life that you cannot lead a "normal" life by definition of others then stop asking questions. If you would like your faith to change, then keep asking questions - if not by others then maybe by that so-called higher power. But don't judge others for what they believe in and why. Because they obviously got the answers they wanted. Will you get yours?
Just becuase someone is
Just becuase someone is satisfied with the answer does not mean it is the truth.
People were once satisfied with the world being flat and at the centre of the universe, and were satisfied with burning women at the stake because they were believed to be witches. Why? Because they all thought it was the truth.
There is nothing wrong with questioning current practices and ideologies; that is how humans progress.
Referring to my earlier
Referring to my earlier submission as born-Caymanian simply means that I am as entitled to speak along the lines of “Caymanian Conscience” as any other person, Caymanian or otherwise.
I agree completely that the Almighty God did give people the right to think and choose for themselves.
I did un-intentionally make a couple of omissions in the last paragraph of my earlier entry which should have read “As far as the children that died from catastrophic situations in Haiti or anywhere else are concerned, I believe that many of them may have been orphaned and left at the mercy of the world to agonize and suffer without love and affection, and that the Almighty God will have welcomed them in to His Heavenly home beyond the reach of the physical realm, to a place which is not subject to sickness, sorrow, suffering or calamities but abounds in love and joy forever.
It is good to remember that “facts cannot be altered or eliminated by argument, dispute or unbelief.”
Meanwhile, I invite anyone who wishes to dispute or discuss anything that I have stated, to please call me at 345 916 5641 and I will be happy to have a friendly discussion with them.
Burnard Tibbetts
All you people talking about
All you people talking about this God like you know him! Do you even know how many brothers he has? Well, do you. Alden, do you know? Come on now, tell me how many brothers he has!
Yes, we do. We have personal
Yes, we do. We have personal relationship with Him. And no, he doesn't have brothers since He is unique, the Almighty.
Good Ellio impersonation though!
My guess would be the same
My guess would be the same number of siblings as the Tooth Fairy.
Tree?
Tree?
It distressing to see
It distressing to see that someone would identify themselves as “Caymanian Conscience” with such a blasphemous mindset.
As a genuine born-Caymanian, I feel obliged to make a comment that may help some people realize that the Almighty God who did design and create the universe and everything in it, has enough wisdom to know what is best for each person, and has every right to decide what should take place in it.
Considering all the un-prejudiced theories and evidence that exists, I am convinced that there is an Almighty God who is alive and well, and that He is not restricted to physical limitations but has a wise purpose for everything that he does, whether we understand it or not.
I am also convinced that he gives each one a choice to trust Him or reject Him and even to doubt, disown, disobey and blaspheme Him. The choices of course are subject to His laws and the rewards that may apply.
Now, I would like to suggest that as Creator and thus owner of everything, He has every right to make decisions about what happens, without owing me an explanation. Further, I propose that people who reject and despise the Almighty God has very little rights of existence in His domain, even though He allows them to live in it because of His endless mercy.
As far as the children that died from catastrophic situations in Haiti or anywhere else are concerned, I believe that many of them may have been orphaned and left at the mercy of the world to agonize and suffer without love and affection, and that the Almighty God will have them in to his Heavenly home beyond the reach of the physical realm, to a place which is not subject to sickness, sorrow, suffering or calamities but abound in love and forever.
A couple of questions 1. Why
A couple of questions
1. Why do you feel it is necessary to state you are a "genuine born-Caymanian"? What does this have to do with the points you are making?
I can only assume it is stated to somehow show that your views have more validity then someone who is not a genuine born-Caymanian. Maybe you can explain this to me as I would be very interested to understand. I could understand if you actually had said a born again Christian.
2. You state that "as Creator and thus owner of everything, He has every right to make decisions about what happens, without owing me an explanation". Let us for the sake of discussion assume that there is a God then by the very fact that it has given human kind the ability to think for themselves then it should expect to be challenged. After all throughout the history of mankind without questioning and challenging we would still be living in caves etc.
3. You "propose that people who reject and despise the Almighty God has very little rights of existence in His domain, even though He allows them to live in it because of His endless mercy." If God does exist and has endless mercy surely it will look at the way a person acted during their life before judging them not how often they went to worship or professed their belief or belittled those who dont believe? If he does not have this attitude then I for one dont what to be associated with such a being in the same way as I dont want to be associated with such a person who is alive.
4. As to your last paragraph, I am stunned. If I was to go over to Haiti and kill children in the street who look like they are suffering following the earthquake and I used the excuse "that many of them may have been orphaned and left at the mercy of the world to agonize and suffer without love and affection" then I would be rightly seen as a monster.
Let me clarify some points
Let me clarify some points for you...
1. The genuine born Caymanian is in reference to the fact that Mr. Burnard is a traditional Caymanian than the writer of the commentary.
It makes his argument more authentic. If you can't tell from the post that he is a born again Christian then his life surely proves it.
2. The bible tells us in the very first book that man has a right to think... thus setting us apart from all other animals. Your argument here really doesn't make sense so I won't comment any further on it.
3. The way you live is important... you seem to miss one very importantn fact that Christians know. This is that you can live your life as a great person but if you never ask Christ to be the center of your life then you are simply doing it in vain because you will still end up in hell. Mercy is being referred to as in will to give people the opportunity to accept his Son Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour.
4. As someone already stated... read the entire paragraph. You seem quick to find fault but take your time and read everything. This is why Mr. Burnard wrote the post. It is not a genuine born Caymanian who would have wrote such a commentary regarding such a bias and hatred towards God... but hey... that's how you increase your readership I guess.
'The bible tells us in the
'The bible tells us in the very first book that man has a right to think... thus setting us apart from all other animals.' That got me laughing pretty hard.
Do you seriously believe ONLY humans are capable of thinking? Do you really believe non-human animals have no thought process? How do they carry out their actions whether it be mating, taking care of their offspring, foraging for food, where to seek shelter, how to avoid predation, and the list goes on. Try so read a few zoology articles or even watch National Geographic if you don't like to read anything else other than the bible. You'll see that octupi and crows have a high problem-solving ability and that dolphins, killer whales, lions and wolves hunt in organized packs, just to name a few. All those actionsn require the ability to analzye your environment and make a decision, this means they are THINKING.
Or wait, all those behaviours were just programmed because they are robots right?
The next wolf I see talking
The next wolf I see talking on their blackberry I am going to congratulate.
I didn't say they didn't know how to survive. I said, "think." Now you tell me, if you were raised doing the same thing day in and day out because you saw everyone around you doing it, would you do different? For instance, a wolf who wonders off from the pack will get killed.
Humans, however, being of higher intelligence would understand that there are ways to survive and then thrive. We can think outside of what we have seen day in and day out... including all the route activities that you mentioned.
Now if you want to talk about laughing... I have to get up off the floor... because you are telling me to believe the National Geographic and not the Bible? You are not even worth wasting my time on.
National Geographic = paid advertising = needs viewership = will put stupidness on TV/print.
Bible = been around for thousands of years (holy scriptures... actual bible for over half a millenium). Has been proven correct, both historically and prophetically.
Please have some intellegence and don't ask me to judge or watch something that is being paid for... in fact, think for yourself and learn how media works!
Hate to burst your bubble,
Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with the orginial poster. A lone wolf can survive without its pack. So can a lion. And humans are not the only animals which can exhibit higher intelligence. Crows and octupi have been scientifically studied and put through puzzles to exhibit how they are able to overcome new challenges which they have never faced before. This is not something that is learnt day in and day out. Humans are not the only ones that have problem-thinking skills. Also, you seem to believe that the process of thinking is not related to survivng... I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion because if an animal, whether it be human or not, would be unable to survive if it did not think, as they would be unable to analyze their situation and respond accordingly.
Too many people have a human superiority complex. And it's the reason why many exploit and abuse our environment. So get over it, we're not the only ones with high intelligence.
Also, the bible has been proven historically and prophetically? Sure it has been historically proven to be written by humans, and altered during its beginning years. Prophetically proven? No one would know about that because as far as I know, no one from that era still exists and can tell us what exactly happened. Therefore, it is hear say... something that is not allowed in our own legal courts to be used as evidence to win a case.
But this is not an argument about proving God or not. The orginal poster is simply stating that humans are not the only ones with higher intelligence, and there is multiple scientific evidence to prove it. NGC may have a lot of sponsoring and financial support, but you know what, so does the Vatican Church with their billions of dollars..
No bubble burst over here...
No bubble burst over here... You don't have to agree with me... it's up to you.
So you make the point that a wolf/lion can survive without the pack... that is not deep enough into where I was going. My point is that it will basically only do what it has always learned to do. Of course you can train it to do more but they survive on instinct from what they were trained by their pack.
You know, I watched the same Dicovery channel about the octupi and I still don't see how you could consider opening a jar of peanut butter thinking or as you call it, problem-thinking. (Problem-solving maybe a better choice of words).
So you know it was altered? Aren't you then just ruining your entire argument regarding prophecy? Isn't that hear say... or were you there?
To prove that it is not hear say:
Phropetically... It stated that the Isrealites would be scattered around the world and then come back together to form a nation... tell me... did that happen in 1948 or is that hear say?
It also stated that Jesus would be born... Christian or no christian... did that happen about 2010 or so ago or is that hear say?
Tell me what is going to happen next year to Cayman? (hear say).
I can't speak for Catholics or the Vatican because I don't believe in or worship either one... I am a christian who believes in Christ... tell me, who sponsors him?
Enough with the superiority
Enough with the superiority complex. Have you forgotten that we are animals too? That our basic instict is to survive. Do you think only non-human animals train their offspring on what to do? From the moment a human is born, they are 'trained' that they need to do whatever necessary in order to survive. How does one survive? It may be by earning money in order to pay for shelter, food, clothes, heat, or it may be that they are in a tribal community and are trained to forage and hunt, make fires etc. How does one earn money? We are trained that we need to get a job. How do you get a job? We are trained that we first need an education.
Majority of people do not stray from what they have been 'trained' to do, whether they be tribal or not. Those that do, often are beggers or criminals. Equivalent to a lone wolf who has strayed from the pack and now has a harder life.
Back to animals being able to think. I should have initially included a definition of the verb 'to think.' Amongst the several definitions for the verb in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, 'to think' means:
1) to determine by reflecting ( what to do next)
2) to devise by thinking (planning)
3) to subject to the processes of logical thought (think things out)
If you are unable to see how that applies with the octupus, then here is another example. Crows are very smart animals and given the opportunity they will most certainly display a high level of problem solving. Here are a few videos to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtmLVP0HvDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Z6Mvjd9w0
These birds were not trained, nor were the octupi. Yet they were able to analyze (think things out) the situtation, reflect, and devise a plan on how to obtain the food. If you still cannot put the two together, than that is unfortunate.
As for the 'prophecy' stating that the Jews would return to their 'homeland' that is the equivalent to me saying that the Palestinians will one day get their homeland too, as many have already stated that. And when it does, the Palestinians will claim that their prophecy has come true. Do not get me started on the issue of Israel, as their creation has allowed their government to carry out heinous crimes to the Palestinians and Lebanese in their mission to get their 'homeland.'
A prophecy is the same as someone making a statement and it coming true one day. Let me make one now, 'Life on Earth will eventually cease to exist.' And this will come true, as our Sun will eventually burn out. Or will that be referred to as the Apocalypse? How about this one 'The Obama administration will continue their propogation of wars in the Middle East to now include an attack on Iran.' I wonder if my prophecy will come true.. only time will tell. Or will it only be considered a prophecy if God is speaking through me? Well, he did. No one can tell me he did not.
I too, can say that a person who will change the world will be born in the years to come.
So you're a Christian who believes in Christ. Ok, and so who do Catholics and the Vatican Church believe in?... Christ... You all believe in the same person... so yes, your Jesus has been promoted for centuries with billions of financial support. (And I have never heard of sponsorship for a dead person... you can only sponsor someone who is alive.)
I am not arguing to debate the existence of your God or that the Bible is nonsense. I have gone through enough religious classes during elementary and highschool to realize that yes the Bible has many good moral teachings, but it also has many faults. Faults written by humans who did not have the same level of knowledge of their surrounding processes as we currently do now. When you have scientific proof that disprove certain statements in the Bible such as 'only humans were given the ability to think' than you should greet it with an open mind as it allows us to move forward and better understand our environment. It is in no way saying that your God does not exist.
Are you aware that Catholics
Are you aware that Catholics worship Christ as well? Catholicism is a branch of Christianity.
Did the bible say that Israel would be formed in 1948? I don't remember that being written in there.
But who am I anyway? How would I know?
I doubt that you'll know because obviously you are so busy worrying about Vaticanism and the fact that wolves and lions are running around together in packs.
"The bible tells us in the
"The bible tells us in the very first book that man has a right to think"
It also tells us that the world appeared by magic, that man arrived in his present form by magic 6,000 years ago, the entire animal world fitted in a small boat and came back out after a global flood to replenish the globe and other fine fairy stories. Genesis is not the best starting point to base a reasoned argument.
PS How did all the marsupials trek down to Australia from Mount Ararat and none of them go anywhere else or leave any remains on such a vast journey? Just asking, so you can help me believe in Genesis, just asking . . .
There are no "fine fairy"
There are no "fine fairy" stories in the Bible. The creation of the world was not magic, it was by devine design. Are you telling me that I should believe that the world happened by chance? a bang? why isn't it still happening?
Genesis is the only starting point!
PS. How did you get to the Cayman Islands? How did the Pink Mealey Bug get here? Even though you should know this... once an animal finds somewhere that it thrives, it stays. Spend time reading the book with an open mind that will help you believe, it did for me!
Don't ignore us marsupials -
Don't ignore us marsupials - we are great evidence that Genesis is a work of fiction.
Wally, wally, wally... I
Wally, wally, wally... I honestly thought you'd never respnd.
I've heard from your marsupial cousins (possums) in both North and South America, once again proving that you cannot think enough to know that marsupials don't only live in Australia!
Learn before you copy a website arguing Christianity!
Those are very distant
Those are very distant cousins (about the same relationship as I am to you). How about evidence of the Australasian marsupial family trekking from Mt. Ararat in the last 5,000 years.
And while you are at it, explain fossils.
So you agree that they are
So you agree that they are family then and can therefore obviously travel to other continents... weather by land or sea. Why would there be documentation of marsupials traveling anywhere? Do you keep a log of where your dog goes on a daily basis... after all, someone 5,000 years down the road might need to know.
Ok..... Genesis 10:25 states that the world was divided... How exactly? I wasn't there so I couldn't tell you... maybe since you were there you could? Why don't you explain it all to us since you seem to have helped or think you have a better explanation?
Fossils and the flood make perfectly good sense to me. If you are trying to say that a geologist can tell by looking at a fossil that it is however many millions of years old then I would love for them to prove that one. Please have some intelligence. Didn't you go to school? Don't you know that many nuts went to class with you and in fact some may have gone on to be scientists or Dr's but does that make them intelligent.
Let me put it this way... many people are educated beyond their intelligence. Why should I believe one person in the last few years when I have thousands of years of evidence to stand on.
Ask any historian what is the most complete and accurate book of history. Don't think he is going to say dawkins... the Bible is the only way my friend.
'Why would there be
'Why would there be documentation of marsupials traveling anywhere? Do you keep a log of where your dog goes on a daily basis'
It's called a fossil record. When the fossils of the same species are discovered, you are able to learn their population distribution and any migration pathways they may have took. So no, it is not the same as keeping a log of where your dog goes on a daily basis, as your dog does not die repeatedly at each of its different destinations.
'Genesis 10:25 states that the world was divided... How exactly? I wasn't there so I couldn't tell you'
If you weren't there, then why would you believe a piece of literature written several hundreds of years ago. It is equivalent to someone 5000 years down the road from now and picking up a copy of Harry Potter and believing everything it says without critically analyzing it.
'If you are trying to say that a geologist can tell by looking at a fossil that it is however many millions of years old then I would love for them to prove that one. Please have some intelligence.'
No, you, have some intelligence. The age of fossils can be determined by the radioactive decay of carbon-14.
'Why should I believe one person in the last few years when I have thousands of years of evidence to stand on'
Carbon dating and the analysis of fossils has been going on for much longer than a few years bobo. And aren't you the one who is believing a group of humans from 2000 years ago? A group of humans who do not have the same knowledge of their surroundings as the humans of today.
'Ask any historian what is the most complete and accurate book of history'
Please give me the names of these historians so I can research them. Should I be expecting them to tell me that there truly was a global flood and that Noah had to build an ark to house a pair of every animal species? Oh wait, historians haveee said that there was a flood during the time specified in the bible.... only that it was regional, not global. Big difference. And if Noah was on a 'save the animals' mission, why do we currently have bacteria and protozoa plaguing our lives? I guess they most have popped up somehow once they saw the flood was cleared.
"The age of fossils can be
"The age of fossils can be determined by the radioactive decay of carbon-14".
Carbon dating can only be used if carbon remains and is therefore not a reliable method of dating fossils. For this reason fossils are not usually able to be dated by any radiometric method. Instead, fossils are often dated by evolutionists according to ages that have already been assigned to various rock layers.
Fossils do not provide evidence for macro-evolution. Instead, they are more consistent with animals being deeply and quickly in some catastophe. Most are very similar if not identical to living animals today.
"Fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation." (Dr. Gary Parker, Ph.D., Biologist/paleontologist and former Evolutionist).
You see the Bible as merely the creation of man, whereas we see it as divinely inspired. These are two totally different worldviews and so we can never come to agreement on these issues. If it is divinely inspired, as we believe, it does not matter that the human writers lived 2,000+ years ago and were less aware of their surroundings etc. because it is not based on how clever or knowledgeable they were.
Fossil were placed in the
Fossil were placed in the earth to test our faith.
Not sure why you are stunned
Not sure why you are stunned by the past paragraph (from which you have excerpteda quote of context). It is a simple statement of fact. What you have ignored is the last clause of that sentence.
Putting aside the questions
Putting aside the questions of ophans what about those children who were not orphaned and who would have gone on to lead full and fulfilling lives and leave behind greiving parents. Do you think it is better for them to be taken by this almighty being you believe in.
Lets face it, no compasionate being would deliberately kill innocent children let alone adults. Therefore it leads me to one of two conclusions. Either God has lost control and has become a melamaniac or (assuming there is a God) it does not control everything and things like war and earthquakes just happen and is not some sort of overall plan.
Mind you it may be its favorate way of reducing human population because (if my dim memories of the bible are correct) didnt some biblical figure order the killing of all first born children and if this is God's will it is very nice of it to look after its own and sod everyone else.
Your entire comment can be
Your entire comment can be summed up in this short fact;
God has not lost control... man has.
Is Haiti the only place in the world with children dying? What about the tsunami's? Hurricanes and other events?
God has an ultimate plan... I suggest you get in it!8
I do agree you with! I do
I do agree you with! I do suggest that you try and be in God's plan. We have no authority what so ever to question why and what God does (remember that). He is the only person who has the final say. Not me, nor you, nor anyone else for that fact. So grow up and stop be an idiot try at accept that there is a creator.
You do realise, Mr. Burnard,
You do realise, Mr. Burnard, that you are blasmephous in the context of many religions other than your own, right?
If this does not concern you, then you should be able to understand why being blasphemous in your judgement does not concern me.
How do you know this heaven you speak of exists? Because a book says it does?
You do realise that Mr.
You do realise that Mr. Burnard is NOT blaspheming in the context?
You realise that you are now in the Cayman Islands?
Blasphemy would be irreverence to God here in the Cayman Islands.
If you worship a person or other "being" then realise that you are in a country that sees God as the one true Lord and therefore supporting his will and word can not be blasphemy.
Please concern yourself with other matters; as the old saying goes... when in Rome... do as the Romans.
Ah Cayman Christianity..
Ah Cayman Christianity.. Respect the Sabbath unless there's money to make from a cruise ship.. keep out gays but support the thieves in government.. ahh sweet sweet tax free hypocrisy.
All you Jamaicans can leave too, right after you fix that building/street/clean up after us/keep the economy ticking over.. then leave
Tell me one, authentic,
Tell me one, authentic, Caymanian owned, major business that is catering to customers on Sunday?
Kirk's nah open, Fosters has pharmacy but that only for medicine, Cox nah open, Hurley's lock up tight and the list goes on.
I agree that some of the younger generation aren't treating Jamaicans right but they did it to themselves by thinking everything should be given to them on a silver spoon.
So what if we aren't particularly fond of people who live completely different from the majority of us. We, the Caymanians that built these islands are supposed to sit back and let some other country tell us that we have to accept everything? I don't think so! That is why we are here and not there! We made our name and now we will stake our claim!
These islands are about love and hard work. If you have a different view than us, that's great, but don't expect us to change our views to please you.
Oh really, what if he keeps
Oh really, what if he keeps the wrong Sabbath day? What if he does not give his allegiance to the Pope?
Those choices would mean his a bit off course, to say the least, according to many "genuine born Caymanians" who happen to be Seventh Day Adventists or Catholics.
Furthermore, how do you presume to speak for all Caymanians? You do know that there are "genuine born Caymanians" who are Muslims and even more than a few who are atheists, right? If you don't know this then you are out of touch with your own people here in your own country.
Mr. Burnard, I have the
Mr. Burnard, I have the greatest of respect for you and your opinon and your life choices.
The issues arise from those who don't. It is just as important that Christians respect and accept the opinions and beliefs of non-believers.
Much of the animosity in these postings is a result of having opinions and beliefs shoved down one and others throats. We all know where the churches are and will go to them when and if we see fit. We have all heard of your God and will worship him when and if we see fit.
Countless hours in the Stake Bay Baptist Church led me to not believe rather than the other way around. Wrong to you perhaps, but my choice all the same.
An Old Friend who owes you a lot.
If God simply wanted the
If God simply wanted the Haitian babies in heaven, then couldn't he have come up with a nicer way to get them there?
Crushing thousands of children under tons of metal and concrete seems a bit excessive. Many of them died slowly and in great pain. Couldn't your god have killed them a little more humanely?
It's tragic when religous beliefs diminsh our ability to feel empathy.
If only we could all die the
If only we could all die the swift and painless death of a bullet.
Why did God kill Haitian
Why did God kill Haitian babies?
SIMPLE: If you are referring to the Christian concept of God, he is a TYRANT! Read the Bible’ Old Testament, you will see why he is a Tyrant that allowed so much atrocities against human beings!
You should ask a more realistic and beneficial question, like:
Why Haitian babies had to die in the quake?
I will answer: Haitian babies died in the quake because it is what life has bestowed to us!
Do you seriously think life is just like a bed of roses??? Folks, you can’t have life without the thorns too! There is a time for everything – learn to humbly ACCEPT it!
Learn this always -
If you can’t accept the outcomes of life (the good and the bad experiences), your mind will always be looking for some comforting drug or faith! Your mind will always be playing guessing games to whatever pops-up in your head like attributing suffering to some concept of a God!
True human beings don’t pretend they know God; they live and deeply know life that’s how come they can love others as themselves! There minds are not caught up with beliefs or a faith! They are always in the Here & Now! When bad times hit them, they just learn to bear it, get up, and continue living life to the fullest!
So persons of religious faith
So persons of religious faith are only pretending to know God and are not "true human beings"!? LOL! Are you about sentence us to the gas chambers? You have just excluded 95% of the world's population as less than fully human.
Statistics show that persons of true religious faith are best able to cope with disasters and tragedy. For the most part, those of no faith are fine so long as life is going well and they feel in control of their lives. After all if life is meaningless what is the point if you keep meeting with tribulation?
As to your blasphemy, I hope for your sake that you repent.
Pretty much the commentator
Pretty much the commentator is right. I wouldn't had used the word "pretend" though. I would have said, "True human beings don't BELIEVE in God, but KNOW God."
As for blasphemy, you sound like a Bible-thumpin' foundamentalist. I personally, don't KNOW of a Christian concept of God being true. So I don't worry myself over what I don't know. So does that make me guilty of blasphemy to live each day as it comes???
The commentator has nothing to repent for! You are the one who should repent!
You seem to be confused. If
You seem to be confused. If you are not the original poster then I did not accuse you of blasphemy. If someone states that God is EVIL that is by definition blasphemy. (what is interesting that from this one word you have judged me to be "a bible thumping fundamentalist").
The original poster seems to be making the opposite assertion to you. It is not that one should know God but that God is EVIL.
I am not sure what you think I should repent for. Believing in God? Honouring him? Knowing him? Rebuking a blasphemer?
There are different views of
There are different views of God in the world; not one person sees alike. You have so many people in the world so settled in their religious beliefs that they fail to see and acknowledge the diversity. From school days, I learnt there are 7 major world views, which most people fall under:
Quite interesting. Not sure
Quite interesting. Not sure what it has to do with the previous exchange though.
Religion: A blessing for the
Religion:
A blessing for the poor and uneducated.
An annoyance for the intellectuals.
A usefull instrument of fear for leaders/politicians.
That's how simple it is.
And now for the
And now for the truth!
Faith:
Of no use for the weak in mind.
Unavoidable proof that no scientist can change.
It's spiritual... without God you can't even begin to understand.
That's how simple it is.
Wed 02/10/10 - 21:40 Please
Wed 02/10/10 - 21:40
Please go join BIN LADEN you two have the same mind!! He's very educated!!!
Wow, so few words, so much
Wow, so few words, so much truth.
I'll say this
I'll say this much...
Christianity was used as a tool to capture, ship and for 400 years brutally enslave and slaughter my forefathers - before that Islam was the tool of choice. Interestingly, they were in turn both used to justify the horrid acts as well.
All I know is this - religion gets away with murder!
"God" may as well have not bothered to be there. Even today I don't see him demonstrating great act of overwhelming mercy upon the state of mankind. In fact, he appears to have quite a twisted and narcissistic ego at times.
(Yeah, yeah ... I know - those were acts of men ... blah blah blah. And I completely agree - historical events always seem to be at the hands of man ... even when many harken onto God as the driving force.)
http://www.thebricktestament
http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/massacre_of_the_peaceful_unsuspecting_people/jg18_01-02.html
According to the Bible this loving God was quite into the slaughter of peaceful innocent people.
I pray for you.
I pray for you.