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English in Cayman

This website has brought true freedom of speech to Cayman, since anonymous posters can’t be held to account. Expats can get their feelings off their chests without fear of being deported; native Caymanians can get their feelings off their chests without falling foul of their expat bosses.

Private-sector workers can castigate Civil Servants for their inefficiencies; government workers can hotly deny them. Overseas readers of the website must be astonished to see so much raw resentment between factions in our small-town community – such fierce currents now visible for the first time in history.

Unfortunately, overseas readers must also be shocked to see so many mistakes of written English, especially by persons identifying themselves as Caymanian. I don’t mean the use of phonetic spelling and pretend-patwa words by some contributors as a way of excluding outsiders from the conversation. (We’ve all done that sort of thing in our lives: remember the teenage slang of our schooldays?) Rather, I mean the mis-spellings, the confused punctuation, the bad grammar and the wrong usages that betray a sub-standard education in this most prosperous of Caribbean islands.

The fall in standards is not unique to Cayman and Caymanians, of course, but it should worry us when it’s evident in public forums. Poor grammar is acceptable in the bosom of family and friends, but not in the presence of Cayman’s overseas observers. Like it or not, the world is controlled by people who have mastered their respective national languages. Like it or not, those controllers tend to be irritated by people whose skills in those languages are inferior. They forgive foreigners’ inferior skills, but regard fellow-nationals who display them as ignorant, stupid, or both. That’s unfair, but life is unfair.

For folk who work in manual jobs, ungrammatical speech and writing don’t matter much, at least up to a certain point on the promotions ladder. But for people in office jobs it matters a lot. They will very quickly bump their heads on a glass ceiling – however smart they are otherwise. If you can’t speak or write proper English, your chances of promotion are pretty slim – especially in the professional sector.

There are regular public reports of qualified Caymanians (academically qualified, that is) being turned down for jobs in the fields of law, accountancy, banking and investment. Well, the very first thing those Caymanians should ask themselves is, “Is my English up to scratch?” Sometimes it isn’t. Quite a few contributors to the CNS forums are grammatically challenged, on the evidence of their postings. They seem to be the chief complainers about glass ceilings. I wonder why.

The blame for low standards of English can be laid at many doors, but the responsibility lies with the state’s education strategy. Unfortunately, the strategy is usually biased in favour of children who are clever at passing exams – and that is the case in Cayman. The number of college graduates each year is reckoned to be more important than the level of literacy of everybody else.

Think of this. Some children are so far behind their peers when they enter kindergarten that they never catch up. Some teachers will frankly say that they can tell at age five who the high-school drop-outs and/or criminals will be. What a terrible state of affairs.

There have been many recommendations over the years on how to improve the situation, and some efforts to raise the general standards. There is a mentoring program. The Chamber of Commerce offers week-long courses in basic English. There are private coaches. But those efforts are a drop in the ocean. Maybe what MLAs should do is insist that all child-minders be literate, including domestic helpers in homes with children. Ah, but logic might require them to be given tenure as a reward, and that would never do.

For some years I chaired the Chamber of Commerce’s Education Committee, and one of our aims was to minimise adult illiteracy. But we were told that the government Community College had the matter under control and would we please back off. Ohhh-kay. How has that worked out?

With its small population, Cayman can’t afford to ignore the talents of half its citizens, trapped below glass ceilings for want of a sensible education strategy. The complainers can’t afford to waste time bitching about competition from foreigners. What they should be doing instead is a) urging their MLAs to improve school standards of reading, writing and speech, and b) improving their own. What Cayman needs is not more schools or fancier schools or smaller classes, but a strategic program aimed at achieving a decent level of literacy.

I spent four of my formative years in a school that was a one-room shack without electricity. An inexperienced teacher taught twelve of us in four age-groups. Some older Caymanians can identify with that experience; and most of them probably read, write and speak better than their grandchildren. Those tiny schools’ strategy called for the teaching of proper grammar, proper spelling, proper punctuation, and proper word-meanings. How bad do things have to get before we return to that?

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Hooct awn fawnix werkt fer

Hooct awn fawnix werkt fer mee!

We can't expect to have a

We can't expect to have a high level of literacy in a country where direct taxes are non-existent.  In countries where pre-school is free and public schools are well-established this problem is much less prevalent.

I've just now realised what a

I've just now realised what a terrible place Cayman is.  I think I shouldn't stay here.

It is not terrible - just

It is not terrible - just perhaps different from what one is used to, especially if one comes from a larger place.

It certainly is not for everyone.

Folks, the real issues here

Folks, the real issues here are percentages and perceptions.

We in Cayman are a complete society - meaning all of the possible socio-economic levels, as exists in every other country (Britain included), are clearly visible. There appears to be a ridiculous onus placed upon us Caymanians to break away from the natural order of things - of any given society / country! We should ALL somehow become Ivy league graduates upon a glorious completion of our studies at Eton?!

Please everyone - do some research into your own societies. Examine your own statistics in regards to tertiary educational levels and standards (yes, this level is relevant because we are inherently discussing such circles.) Furthermore, make an HONEST assessment of the true standing in the common, everyday customs / attitudes / personality / mindset / socio-economic plight of your own people.

The expats that arrive here and work within the higher paid industries in the country are NOT the standard or "ordinary" person from their country.

Hello!! We have Chinese, Brazilians, Indians, Russians, Zimbabweans, Nigerians and yes even Brits (see previous post for elaboration) in our midsts. At this point take your mind to what is the generally understood reality of the common AVERAGE person from any of the aforementioned nations ... exactly!!

In many instances we have the uppermost layer of the cream of the crop of those respective nations working in our county - if we were to have access or exposure to the AVERAGE individual from whence they came this entire debate would be very different.

This point has to be driven home and too many of us are missing it!

Obviously many in our expat community purposely miss the point and ignore the reality from which they come - but if we Caymanians continue to miss this crucial factor of this (and many other) debate(s) then we will continue trodding along with our flawed sense of inferiority which only serves to empower everyone other than ourselves.

Yes, of course many of us Caymanians speak and express ourselves in colloquial ways - however, we do have our "nerds" and "geeks" that have gone and and will continue to go on and become main participants and in fact leaders within the relevant industries. This entire debate is built on sandy ground - so obviously so it is amazing that more of us fail to realize this fact.

This, my friends, is the point I am trying to get across (especially to the person below who responded to a few of my earlier posts.)

Thanks to my time living and travelling abroad I am able to see things from a much clearer point of view ... I only wish more of our newly arrived members of our Caymanian community would properly align their perspective with the reality of the state of affairs in their home countries!

However, all of that being said I will say that many Caymanians do make the mistake of believing that only a job or profession in the relevant fields are deemed worthy - and this is where we find the instances of many of the unqualified and inadequately trained individuals flopping through and / or trying to break down unrealistic barriers. At this point enters our history, rapid pace of modernisation, and limited job prospects.

Millions of Scots, Trinidadians, and Nigerians have the opportunity make a career choice between an Accountant or an Oil Field Technician - we are not so blessed here in our beloved isle Cayman ...

When one considers our precarious predicament then it could possibly be argued that Gordon was onto something when he calls for higher standards - but the simple fact of the matter is...how realistic is that? What percentage of Essex residents become "Oxbridge" graduates? Not saying that Cayman  = Essex, but simply reminding us all that we simply cannot ignore the factors of population, industrial history, socio-economic realities, cultural / political history and attitudes and most crucial of all - the expectant percentage of any country in terms of academic / educational achievement.

I was forced to rush this and I wish I could go on ... but I ga' run - hope it made sense - be good ery'body ... and try behave unna self now - lata!!

:o)

Cayman's aspiring tax-haven

Cayman's aspiring tax-haven professionals are the "best and brightest" of a community of a mere 20,000 or less.  It's unreasonable to expect them to compete for jobs with the best and brightest (well, more or less...) of nations of millions.  Do the math.  If say 3000 British tax-haven professionals are drawn from a population of 60 million, that calculates at one professional for each 20,000 people.  Say no more.

Unfortunately, Caymanian politicians operate on the premise that our local schools are producing 100 or maybe 200 bloodline-Caymanians capable of filling the top spots in the financial sector.  Hence all the fierce rhetoric about glass ceilings and prejudiced employers, and all the bullying of expats by the Work Permit authorities.  They need to do the math, too.

I believe it IS realistic to aim for higher standards of literacy, and it is essential to keep demanding them.  Higher standards might - with luck and diligence - produce maybe ten or twelve bloodline Caymanians coming through to compete on even terms with the most senior imported workers in the financial sector.  (They would also need to get some overseas exposure and work-experience, but that's another can of worms.)

I completely agree with your

I completely agree with your first paragraph!

You were spot on with your comments in regards to the ridiculous pipe-dreams of our politicians as well (a quick brush-over of the fine details and layout of the (super-grand) proposed school buildings is testament to that.)

However, I am not about to discredit Caymanians' claim of glass-ceilings and discrimination - as far as I can see that is a very valid argument as that issue affects practically all areas of the Caymanian workplace - not just the upper echelons of the Financial industry.

Neither would I be willing to "guesstimate" a probable tally of suitable Caymanian candidates deemed worthy of said positions.

In any event, and as I always say and strongly believe, this issue CANNOT be properly addressed from here in the Cayman Islands. We have to contend with; the "international boy's club", "racial" prejudice and pre-judgements, global disregard of western "exotic" folk spear-heading such entities etc.

Sadly, these are GLOBAL issues and quite frankly, even in 2009, persistent global attitudes would likely negatively affect our attractibility to the best of prospective personnel and therefore have a domino effect in regards to top-notch clientele and investment - if we happened to have a high percentage of Caymanian leaders in the industry. Within the context of the aforementioned it would result in a respone (most likely not openly expressed but there nonetheless) of "What's going on over there?! Some sort of community program?!"

Honestly, we are dealing with an English speaking Caribbean island-nation here - let us stop pretending that this is simply a matter of education, experience, and exposure.

My overall point is that the situation simply it what it is, however, there are many external factors fuelling the current state of affairs that most are either blind to or refuse to accept.

It is NOT just a "Cayman(ian)" thing.

 I do not disagree with

 I do not disagree with anything that Gordon has stated in this article.  I differ only in this one respect: in my humble view the greater damage is caused by the racism demonstrated rather than the sub-standard grammar.  Grammar can be fixed (with education as Gordon has suggested) - but can the stereotyping, prejudice, bigotry and racism be fixed?  

To Anonymous on Monday

To Anonymous on Monday 22:56.

Define "education".  Grammar can be fixed by schooling; education in the broader sense can fix the other things.  These days everybody has access to the vast library that is the World Wide Web.  When it is used as a library, any open-minded person can learn enough about foreign cultures to dispel ignorance and avoid stereotyping.

Not everybody is open-minded, of course.  Prejudice is natural to us all.  Most people believe that their god, their nation and their ethnic group are superior to other gods, nations and groups. Overcoming those prejudices takes a lot of personal time and effort. 

A few weeks ago I suggested government give every school-leaver $1000 and a backpack and send them each overseas for a year.  I was writing about Cayman and Caymanians, but every government in the world ought to do it.  It's the cheapest way to broaden kids' minds before the minds freeze up.

"but can the stereotyping,

"but can the stereotyping, prejudice, bigotry and racism be fixed?"

Bear in mind that this is a two way street. There are some truly appalling posts on here by both Caymanians and expatriates.   <!-- /comment-inner, /comment -->

For those readers who haven't

For those readers who haven't yet discovered it: the News item (on this website) headed "Minister back on track" posted on Thursday 10/29/2009 has several useful comments on the topic of schools and education.  Worth checking out.

Som ov us kin talk English

Som ov us kin talk English good...

We'd rather speak Caymanian well...

 

But the point is that

But the point is that Caymanian to the extent it is distinguishable from Jamaica (which would be barely at most) is merely a dialect used for oral communication.  This article is about the standard of written English in Cayman.

1. You are clearly not either

1. You are clearly not either Caymanian or Jamaican. Caymanian dialect and accent is significant different from Jamaican dialect and accent as every Caymanian and Jamaican will attest. Caymanians do not generally speak what is described as patois, or according to Mr. Barlow, patwa.  

2. You miss the writer's point which is that some posters choose to right in their dialect and are not particularly concerned about the use of the 'Queen's English' notwithstanding that they may know it well.    

While the rest of the people

While the rest of the people in this world are trying to raise their level of education by learning one or two foreign languages our young Caymanians are doing their best to dumb themselves down.  And no, there's absolutely nothing special, unique, interesting, or intelligent about "som ov us kin" or "see me yah" etc. 

To Dennis Smith - 10/29/09 -

To Dennis Smith - 10/29/09 - 19:46, you have a very good insight into what is very likely a part of the current problem. And to anyone who might want to challenge you as being an 'expat', I would like to say that you are more Caymanian than many born here because you and your family moved here when Cayman was really a 'frontier' of sorts - a true test that those who chose to stay really loved this place. You chose to stay and become one of us and you did more than your share to develop commerce and retail offerings which helped put us on the world's duty free map. Thank you. You are more than qualified to speak

To 10/30/09 - 19:23. Thank you for being bold enough to state your views on Jim Bodden's role in damaging these islands. You are correct; if we look at most of our problems today, they have roots in the way his Governments 'ran things'. Yet we made him a national hero???!!! No wonder we selected piracy as a national observance!!  Don't forget that his cronies John Mc & Truman are still trying to influence today's politics.  Hmmmm, come to think of it, maybe they are!  Hey, Dick Cheney, the evil svengali of the last Bush administration (no, not our Bush) was a holdover for the Nixon administration, so it's not impossible that that kind of influence can survive politcal generations.

Yes, Big Jim was the start of our downhill slide, when we started selling our future for the quick buck. Development??? I say sell out!! And we did it to ourselves! Thankfully there are many former expats such as those like Dennis who embraced these islands and their people but for those who did not embrace us for the same reason, they just did what anyone would do - get a little piece and stuck around to get more!! Can anyone blame them?

Sir John Cumber should be the real national hero because his vision for the managed and paced development of these islands was well underway until that Development Plan was thrashed and ditched by Jimbo and Crew. And for the clowns who might challenge Sir John's personal contribution to these islands, you might want to have a word with any of his family who also embraced Cayman and became us.

You people have too much time

You people have too much time on your hands!!   Start writing a book or something!!!   ..  or making a Movie!!

 There are a lot of cultural

 There are a lot of cultural divides in Cayman due to our insulated small size and awkward adaptation of overseas customs.  Some things are just done backwards and WRONG.....for instance, it was laughable last night to see how Caymanians "Trick or Treat" on Halloween.  I wish I had a film crew with me in Sung Harbour last night.  The ex-pat familes were all walking door to door trick or treating, saying "thank you" and happy Halloween!  The Cayman families drove around in huge SUVs door-to-door and let the kids out to hit a few houses while the parents stayed in their cars (most I noticed, listening to loud music).  The poor "walkers" had to dodge the TRAFFIC and it made it a stressful street crossing with toddlers.  I THINK I HAVE PINPOINTED THE OBESITY PROBLEM IN CAYMAN!  What the heck are the so-called role models doing when they cannot even park their car and get out to walk with their own children???  Come on, it was one of the most backwards and stupid things I have seen in my 14 years here.  Next year, I'm going to ask the cops and neighborhood groups to block off the head of the street and see what happens.  Do you think the lazy parents will be confused and go elsewhere or grumble and try to run the blockade?  Driving to trick or trick, what a ridiculous Cayman farce......

Just for the record, I live

Just for the record, I live in Snug Harbour and had lots of very polite Caymanian children at my door -- on foot, and with their parents right behind them.  There were definitely some parents in cars (though I wouldn't venture to guess their nationalities, since it was dark), but not nearly as many as in other years.    

I stand corrected.  I just

I stand corrected.  I just asked my husband, who took our little one out trick or treating, if he noticed as many cars out this year as in previous years.  It seemed to me from the house that there weren't as many, but he says there were lots, most of them idling in the street.  It does make it difficult to see properly if you're walking and there are headlights glaring in your face out of the dark -- mars the experience for those of us who do walk.

From the poster at

From the poster at 13:20.

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(It is simply that since the late 1970's, our education system has been a political football and has been decimated, to the disadvantage of those who have passed through it.  Yes, sadly, it is a fact that most elders in our society can read and write better than most of our youth but that is indicative of the regression as a society that we have experienced in the last thirty years. Regression? Yes, quite clearly! As a simple example, I recall in the early 1970's Bodden Town alone had three active farms - a dairy farm (Caribbean Farms) which delivered fresh milk every morning by Milk Maids in Mini Mokes; a poultry farm (Mijall Farms) which delivered fresh roasters to the stores every day and a packaging plant (orange juice, regular and flavoured milks). In West Bay there was a beef farm (Bothwell's) and an egg farm (fresh eggs daily). For entertainment, in every district except East End and North Side were cinemas (GT & BT had 2 each), skating rink ( BT), etc.,etc.)


Thank you for the trip down memory lane. Your brief recount of life in Cayman during the late 60’s and early 70’s brought an instant flood of indelible and happy memories. Perhaps the reason why so many Caymanians are feeling disenfranchised and overrun by Cayman’s modern society is that our progress was not homegrown.

For the first time in my life I now wonder if all of our current problems stem from the introduction of our “tax Haven’ legislation in 1966 and our subsequent “progress”. Cayman was doing very well for itself before the UK decided to use it as a home for the “Bay Street Boys” fleeing the Bahamas.

Conveniently the UK allowed us to be semi self-governing which removed them from having to manage our development and pay our expenses, but we were not piloting our own ship. Cayman was developed as a tax-free feeder colony, strategically used by the UK to funnel vast quantities of Euro Dollars into the “City of London”. Sadly, I now wish it had chosen so another Colony.

It sole contribution to containing the Caymanian problem after the near riots and demonstrations of 1967 was the sponsorship of the destructive Caymanian Protection law that “guaranteed” Caymanian employment. It is a lot cheaper to pass a law than seriously addressing the education, skills and entrepreneurial development that Caymanians needed for economic self-advancement. It is this missing and sustainable beneficiation program that has left many Caymanians out of the economic loop and gendered all of the feelings of resentment that manifest themselves today in our society.

Those two UK decisions changed everything, at first for the better, but as time went on we developed into a multi-level colonial society dominated by a UK developed secrecy banking industry at the top, supported by foreign laborer at the bottom and somewhere in the middle were the Caymanians with their “right” of employment.

Some went overseas for education and migrated economically upwards, but many remained good solid Caymanians, culturally still rooted in the 1960s, doing quite well with the opportunities that Cayman provided. As the middle economy became broader employment needs expanded faster than the Caymanian working population, so skilled and educated professionals were brought in to make up for shortages. Caymanians benefited from skills transfer but lacked the higher levels of education and competitive training that their foreign co-worker had. Since business were mandated to hire Caymanians first, they filled their “quota’ before hiring the talent they really need from oversea. Compliance with the local protection laws and a lack of world-class education had effectively locked Caymanians in place.

Mr. Barlow’s viewpoint and the subsequent posts make a lot of good points and I agree with him completely about the need for a superior education in our increasingly competitive world. I wonder though; is our academic deterioration and employment stagnation the fault of Caymanians or is it the result of a UK policy that deemed Caymanians not important enough to educate well?

Dennis Smith – Farm Manager - Caribbean Farms – Bodden Town 1969 – Telford Miller and I Milked 120 cows at 5-am and 5-pm, 7 day a week before doing our real work: Veterinary, Artificial Insemination, Feeding, Pasturing, Milk Processing, Cartoning and sending pretty Milk Maids from West Bay to East End.
 

Very interesting post, Mr

Very interesting post, Mr Smith. I seem to remember a gentleman called Kneebone being part of that farm at one time.

In my view, what "spoiled" Cayman was Jim Bodden exploding the real estate industry by bringing in the strata laws allowing condos to mushroom at a truly staggering pace. How many of us remember 7 mile beach in those days-hardly anything built there the suddenly-bam!- wall to wall condos and Government's treasury booming. Concrete everywhere, the block factory becomes a gold mine, real estate people flood in from abroad many of whom are still here writing quarterly reports on what government should or should not do, beach propert goes from a ghastly $10,000 a front foot to a ridiculous $30,000 a front foot for beaches Caymanians could find no use for in the past, the ratio of Caymanian to foreigner races from 10 to 1 to 5 of them for every one of us.

It wasn't the British this time. It was us. And we made one of us our first National Hero.

Thank You, this is off topic

Thank You, this is off topic but since I started it I will answer your question. After I left the dairy farm, they hired a manager from Ireland; perhaps he is the gentleman you recall. West Beach property was selling at the exorbitant price of $750 a front foot in 1968. Although Mr. Jim was Cayman’s most visible Real Estate promoter and perhaps its most influential: most prominent Caymanian families were in the game. Unfortunately when you sell property for a lot of money, you need to allow some development rights. I recall that the early development pressure was for more hotels and that a decision was made to restrict 7-mile beach to low-density condominiums instead. Like you I miss our virginity, with exception of 7-mile beach I can still recognize it everywhere else. Lets enjoy what we have.

A corrupt dictatorial

A corrupt dictatorial national hero?  La plus ca change. . . .

If "anon" had read my post

If "anon" had read my post more closely, and if s/he had spent any time in our public schools, s/he would realise that there are hardly any teachers left who are non-Caribbean in origin. I would say that 10% is a high estimate. Very few from countries outside the insular Caribbean. If s/he had spent any time in our schools observing teachers in action s/he would easily see the problems. To accuse me of being racist is ridiculous. I am merely reporting what I have observed. 

The purpose of my essay was

The purpose of my essay was to provoke suggestions on how the general standards of public writing and speech in Cayman might be raised.  Perhaps I ought to have emphasized the general standard of reading.  In this respect, the poster at Wed 20:12 is spot on. 

Nowhere in the essay did I jeer at the Caymanian dialect or accent.  Nowhere did I compare other communities’ jargons or accents with Cayman’s.  I didn’t say ALL glass ceilings relate to poor English usage.  (I said “some”, and some it probably is.)  Yet some readers claim to have found those things there.  Sigh.  Next time I will give more space to reading/comprehension. 

Local schooling is to blame, as well as a perverted pride (among some) in the inability to speak or write The Queen’s English. 

The poster who looked up “eloquent” in the dictionary and mis-spelt it in his posting apparently wasn’t taught Latin or Greek roots at school.  His school failed him.  The posters who objected to my spelling of “patwa” apparently never learned the importance of multiple dictionaries.  Their schools failed them.  (“Patois” is the usual spelling, but “patwa” is generally preferred by Jamaican scholars.) 

Noting the prevalence of inadequate English-skills should not be offensive, in any place at any time.  Should we all pretend not to notice, instead?  Unless we do notice the inadequacies, and talk about them, they will never improve.  Those Caymanians who want to keep things the way they are, are doing their community a great deal of harm.  Well, it’s my community too, and I am not going to let you do that harm, if I can help it.

Gordon,  You could

Gordon, 

You could probably write an article that says 1+1=2 and some of these guys would accuse you of prejudice.  We appreciate your hard work at pointing out home truths as to life in Cayman.  As part of the Comment section on the last few Viewpoints you have written your critics were challenged to produce any quotations from your voluminous writings to justify their otherwise defamatory statements.  Not once could they come up with a quote.  You win! And we win when you win.

Keep it up!

GBFC Member #23

All this emphasis on "The

All this emphasis on "The Queen's English." Shall we just say proper english instead, as, at least in the business world, it's heavily mixed with, if not dominated by, American English idioms and influence. Also, just for the sake of it, you have a completely unnecessary comma (the final one) in your last sentence, Gordon.

As for reactions to the article, it's the way you have written it and memories of your other articles that would lead commentors down the path of thought they've taken. Maybe you should consider a pseudonym for works that aren't mean to be associated with your previous inflammatory words?

*meant

Wow ... I'm sorry, I cannot

Wow ... I'm sorry, I cannot sit back and witness this attack against our Caymanian youths - especially within the context of a veiled comparison to British youths.

People, have you walked around the communities of London, Maidstone, Toxteth, Glasgow, Lancaster etc. lately?!

Do you guys understand what the term "ASBO king" means (anti-social behaviour order)?! Do you fully comprehend the way in which millions of British youths are today declaring such titles with pride and glee?!

Never in my life have I seen such disrepect shown to adults and such fear of kids by adults at the same time! In the UK kids are given free reign to do as they will between ages 12 - 18 (parents are not allowed / refuse to discipline them and the police cannot arrest them). arguably the period in one's life where we tend to require the MOST guidance!

I have personally witnessed, whilst traveling on a London to Manchester Virgin train, a group of drunk and "high" teenagers physically attack and injure a middle aged man who dared show "disrespect" for asking them to refrain from playing their music in such a loud manner. I could only shake my head with disbelief - for I know that day has NOT come in Cayman and I doubt it will anytime soon! Such incidents are NOT rare in the UK and all of you folks are fully aware of this! I see and hear of them ALL the time. "Broken Britain" - an alias penned by your own media corporations.

Should I once again remind the readers of the UNICEF 2007 report on the Welfare of Children in the UK?!

Your future is NOT looking very bright my friends - believe that.

Although this thread is generally centered around education, when one considers the surrounding state of affairs I think it is safe to assume that not every British high school leaver is destined for "Oxbridge".

Honestly, I am just tired of so many expats coming here and criticising every single element of Caymanian society as if from whence they came is some utopia!

I'm a young Caymanian and I

I'm a young Caymanian and I do have to say most of my generation has terrible speech and writing skills and etiquette - it's not only an issue Cayman faces but it has to be said.  While working in the Human Resource department of a large firm on-island I am appalled at what some of my fellow Caymanians submit as resumes.  A few try their best and even copy templates off the internet but forget to change the standard address and telephone number so they can't be contacted assuming their telephone numbers aren't (012) 345 6789.  It's no wonder even capable Caymanians aren't getting jobs.  To be qualified in such a cosmopolitan environment such as Cayman's, you must have worldly qualities.  And I'm not talking about American vs. ("the Queen's") English - stick to one or the other; neither is right nor wrong and both are widely accepted (even though in some situations it's appropriate to be sensitive of the background of the person you are communicating with).  To speak with a dialect, to use slangs and to write with no regard to spelling or grammar is fine among peers and in informal conversations (even in most cases on these blog sites), but when your corporate social and networking abilities (at least) are compromised because you don't know when to "turn off" your slack communication skills, it's a problem.

A very well written comment! 

A very well written comment!  I hope that Caymanians such as yourself continue to learn and lead this country in the right direction.  Don't let anyone discourage you from leading, and don't be afraid to tell the truth as you did in this comment.  It is always refreshing to see an articulate and learned Caymanian speaking such as yourself!

"Honestly, I am just tired of

"Honestly, I am just tired of so many expats coming here and criticising every single element of Caymanian society"

yet you are happy to do the same thing with England apparently

 

COMMENMTS  12:17  I sincerely

COMMENMTS  12:17  I sincerely agree with you, and must add that anyone who is working and putting bread on their table from my Island should be a ashamed of bitting the hand that feeding you.  I call those persons ungrateful, and has no shame.  How can you come into my home, eat my food and then kick my dog.  Good gracious.  Have a little conscience or shut up.

The Island is not feeding me,

The Island is not feeding me, I am feeding the Island, by paying duties and employing staff I would not give a job to if they were not Caymanian.  My conscience is clear.

These Islands are feeding

These Islands are feeding you. That's why you are here. As soon as they stop feeding you, you will be gone.

 How utterly ignorant you are

 How utterly ignorant you are about these Islands.  With what do you think these Islands are feeding anyone?  Is there some magic in the sand?  Is there a natural spring or resource below the rock?  Do you think it is SMB or the diving that is feeding all these people?

It is the financial industry - created by the first groups of "expats" who wrote or recommended the appropriate laws then convincined the money to come here.  That is what is feeding anyone on these Islands.  Without the financial industry the only feeding would be until the turtles at the 16M dollar turtle farm were all eaten (which wouldn't last everyone for a week; what a bad return for such an investment).

And of course Caymanians

And of course Caymanians played no role in any of this.

Many people  expats and Caymanians played a role in the development our financial industry. However, that does not include most expats here today who are simply the beneficiaries, i.e. they are being fed by these Islands.  

Cuz dis be where de food at.

Cuz dis be where de food at.

Actually I have grown quite

Actually I have grown quite fat gorging on the island.  I can leave whenever I want, whether it feeds me or not.

Whoops, forgot to sign my

Whoops, forgot to sign my previous post.

However, I'm sure many of you knew the author - if I sound like a bit of a broken record blame yourselves.

Take a look in the mirror folks - if you don't I shall gladly hold it up for you.

(Interesting how my comments which reveal nothing but truth are so greatly ignored on this forum.)

I guess some of us simply get off on putting others down, albeit unfairly.

Sad.

whodatis

Posts are most often ignored

Posts are most often ignored because although the author is convinced he or she is right, they are actually spouting rubbish. Let's have a look at your post.

You declare when referring to ASBO's that "...millions of British youths are today declaring such titles with pride and glee?!"  Later  you state that "...kids are given free reign to do as they will between ages 12 - 18 (parents are not allowed / refuse to discipline them and the police cannot arrest them)."

How do you reconcile these 2 statements? If millions of kids are subject to ASBO's, what is your basis for suggesting they are not subject to discipline? Your position is illogical.

Do you think that it is likely that no parents in the UK discipline their children, as you broadly suggest? There are almost 62 million people in the UK. You exaggerate your position to the point where you lose credibility.

And just for info., readily available through Google, between 1998 ( when ASBO's were introduced ) and 2007 ( the latest data available ) 14,972 ASBO's were issued. Seems this is slightly short of your " millions of British kids." 

I won't seek to defend aspects of UK life and society that clearly could be improved. But I would ask you of what relevance they are to Cayman?  Your posts remind me of my children when they would do poorly at school. They would often try to placate me by telling me they had done better than so-and-so who was acknowledged to be borderline impaired. My response was always to ask then how they had compared to the top of the class. 

If Caymanians want to truly compete, they need to measure themselves against the best out there. Casting around wildly for examples that are worse, like the one poster who pointed Jamaica's literacy rate was 79%, helps no-one.

When you hold up that mirror, take a close look. That is not a genius looking back. Better be a big mirror though, to get in all the head of someone who can declare without apparent embarrassment  " Whoops, forgot to sign my previous post. However, I'm sure many of you knew the author.." I for one had no clue.

 

 

 

 

 

"Casting around wildly for

"Casting around wildly for examples that are worse, like the one poster who pointed Jamaica's literacy rate was 79%, helps no-one."

Why would you say that a comparison with our closest English-speaking neighbour where many Caymanians were educated and from which we gain many of our teachers is "casting around wildly"?

Obviously, you took my quote out of context and distorted it to suggest that it reflected complacency. Clearly, it did not. However, we can do without the hyperbole which can bring discouragement even before we start.

"I for one had no clue".

Having read a number of your posts there are a few things you have no clue about.  It doesn't stop you from posting though. Ironic that you should say "posts are most often ignored because although the author is convinced he or she is right, they are actually spouting rubbish".

Your post was written to

Your post was written to counter a poster who claimed Cayman's literacy rate was pitiful, at 90%, ranking Cayman 97th in the world literacy table according to the UN. Your position was that Cayman was not pitiful because Jamaica's rate was 79%.

My post was about Caymanians comparing themselves to the best around to assess where they stand, not looking for examples that are worse to justify the status quo. I don't see how your reply in any way refutes my assertion. The statistic you chose, if given any credence, would help no-one deal with a real world issue of raising standards of spoken and written English for Caymanians, at least those who aspire to work in the financial service industry. 

Despite your last comment, I see you couldn't actually bring yourself to ignore my post. 

There you go again. My post

There you go again. My post speaks for itself. I was plainly not looking for examples to JUSTIFY the status quo since my initial comment was that our literacy standards need improvement - a point which you have again chosen to ignore. You clearly have such a (misguided) sense of superiority that you automatically dismiss what the other person is saying without actually bothering to understand it. It is this insufferable attitude that repels many Caymanians.   

I could say the same about you and the previous poster.    

"You clearly have such a

"You clearly have such a (misguided) sense of superiority that you automatically dismiss what the other person is saying without actually bothering to understand it. " I love it, thanks for starting my day with a laugh. Coming from you, three words come to mind, pot, kettle and black.

 

 

Case in point! Because you

Case in point! Because you cannot address my point with logic you dismiss it with haughty laughs. You really are full of yourself.  

" Because you cannot address

" Because you cannot address my point with logic..." And I am full of myself? I strive to see logic in your posts, but it's just not there. All I see is your almost instant propensity for personal insult for anyone who dares disagree with you.

My last post on this as once again an exchange with you becomes unproductive. Feel free to have that one last dig we both know you can't resist. 

 

In teaching within the

In teaching within the education system here, I can tell you that there are far more illiterate students than literate ones.  I am talking about BASIC reading and writing skills.  It is in true Caymanian fashion that this is hidden underneath the rug, like everything else on this tiny island (sex offenders for example).  However, you are on the world stage now, and companies are taking notice.  I will assure you that if children do not learn proper English they will be disadvantaged in this world, wherever they are located physically.

I ask you then how it is

I ask you then how it is possible that these children graduate from school. It is a neverending cycle. Teachers are demotivated and often do not want to deal with the same child for two years in the row, so they rather move them on to the next grade (never mind if they have met the set goals or not). Some parents don't care or don't know any better themselves. Some parents do care, but they have a very hard time figuring out how they can provide the extra support at home. Communication between schools and parents is as bad as it can get. This is a complex problem, but I would suggest everyone is figuring out (for themselves) how to address this problem within their own family or circle of friends, rather than putting down an entire population, especially when it is a well known fact illiteracy is a problem worldwide. Stop comparing apples with oranges. You can't compare the entire Cayman population with only the higher educated individuals from other countries. I am sure if you compare the entire Cayman population to the entire US population, you would see that the US is struggling with illiteracy as well.