900 turtles killed for meat in 2012, CTF reveals
(CNS): The Cayman Turtle Farm has said that over 900 turtles were killed in 2012 to satisfy the local demand for meat, which is only around 10%-15% of the animals held at the farm. However, stepping up the criticism of the WSPA campaign to change it into a conservation facility, the farm’s director said that if it did not supply this local demand, people would poach the animals from the wild. Criticising Cayman’s internationally renowned free diver, Tanya Streeter, for her support of the campaign, Tim Adam said the farm was “saddened” that Streeter, who grew up here, has chosen to align herself with the WSPA, “an organisation that appears to be fuelled by sensationalising, misleading information” about the CTF. (Photo by Patrick Weir)
“We are also disappointed that the WSPA appears to be continuing to expend its resources and funding on a promotional campaign to discredit the Farm, rather than working directly with us to support the improvements we are making in response to the inspection report, or even putting their resources into undertaking actual work in the conservation of sea turtles," Adam added. “We would like to see evidence of tangible conservation efforts the WSPA has contributed on behalf of the Green Sea Turtle in the Cayman Islands.”
Claiming conservation credentials for the CTF, Adam said that Streeter, who was photographed (see above) swimming with wild turtles as part of the WSPA campaign, was able to do that in part because of the work of the CTF. “There are now many more sea turtles seen in the wild around Cayman than there were decades ago,” Adam said. “The Cayman Turtle Farm has contributed significantly to that increase, making it possible for more visitors and residents to see turtles in the wild.”
He said data from the Department of the Environment shows an increase in the number of green sea turtles now nesting in Cayman, several of which, the director claimed, were released from the CTF.
The Turtle Farm provides legally farmed turtle meat, Adam said, reducing the incentive to take turtles from the wild than would be likely if local demand for turtle meat were not met from farmed stocks.
“A review of our turtle meat sales data shows local demand for turtle meat increasing significantly each year in 2011 and 2012. For example, for 2012 it took over 900 turtles to satisfy local demand. If the Cayman Turtle Farm does not supply the local demand for turtle meat ... where does Ms Streeter or the WSPA suggest that amount of turtles will come from to allow Caymanians to continue eating turtles?” he asked.
According to the results of a freedom of information request, the numbers killed for meat over the last few years has declined from a high in 2008, when almost 1,700 turtles were slaughtered. The increase in price could have dampened demand for the meat but the stocks at the farm currently remain high. The farm has faced some difficulties in the past regarding its stocks but it is currently home to somewhere in the region of 7000-9000 animals.
The row between the CTF and the international animal charity has gathered pace, and despite claims of a more cordial position after the WSPA's recent visit, hostilities appear to have increased. The WSPA makes the case that to keep so many thousands of turtles, which are not domesticated animals, in the poor conditions at the farm to supply such a low demand for meet is fundamentally wrong.
The CTF continues to refute much of the findings of the well-documented WSPA research, however, despite photographic evidence of the overcrowded conditions, cannibalism, disease and congenital disorders. Even in the face of its own independent review, which confirmed much, though not all, of the findings of the original report from the charity, the farm still says the issues it faces are minor and can easily be addressed.
Adam said that this intensive three-day review of the farm undertaken in December by four internationally recognised sea turtle experts and conservationists had found clear value in the Cayman Turtle Farm’s research and conservation programmes.
“While the report identified some areas for improvement, which the Cayman Turtle Farm is acting upon, the assessment team’s findings also disproved several of the WSPA’s allegations against the Farm,” Adam said. “The WSPA is using Ms Streeter to represent a view that is obviously biased toward WSPA’s objectives,” Adam said.
The WSPA is continuing with its global campaign and says it is not giving up, despite the war of words, on the hope that one day the CTF will stop breeding turtles in the questionable conditions that currently exist purely for meat and switch to conservation, using better animal welfare measures to protect the animals in its care.
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Being a Caymanian myself, I
Being a Caymanian myself, I am utterly disgusted by the local opinion that eating turtle is fine because we 'breed' them. I have done some research myself and if the green sea turtle only lays where she was hatched, where on earth do these turtles go to nest? NOWHERE, they simply drop their eggs into the water. Stop being stubborn people! The turtle farm is a disgusting establishment and needs to be shut down and the consumption of the turtles meat needs to be made illegal! Don't even get me started on the conditions of the pools at the turtle farm....
Do you eat cow,chicken,little
Do you eat cow,chicken,little fluffy lambs,pig, or iguana, or use any animal by products? just saying...England is apparently dining on horse meat, and didn't even know. Lipstick has animal products. Unless you are a true vegan, what's your 'beef'?
You, whoever you are, are
You, whoever you are, are completely and pathetically lacking common sense, objectivity, intellect, foresight, fortitude and above all you lack integrity. You attempt to approach a situation by pointing to other's wrongs/inadequecies/institutionalized faults in order to ignominiously ignore the facts in your own house and to your/our detriment. This is not the way forward, your stupid, worthless and asinine verbal diarhhea is counterproductive and strengthens those who would wish to obliterate the very concept of a sustainable, humane and productive solution for all involved including the turtle itself. You ignorant donkeys and parasitic postulators of putrid malevolence continue to balk at simple truths with some plastic and disingenuous attempt at subverting the inherent gravity of the universally and painfully obvious with no hope of true success and as always it shall be the potential and the future and those within said future who shall pay the price. Suck salt ya daggum twerp. Deal with the facts dummy. You sound like McKeeva, the one who spearheaded the sucking of the very lifeblood out of the entire scenario and whose only success has been to devalue the meaning of the word boatswain forever to those unaware of the true meaning and the intrinsic value and heritage therein, to say nothing of the national purse and it's thus far pilfered contents.
Like i said esrlier it dosent
the caymanian attitude
the caymanian attitude towards animals or the environment speaks for itself....trying to argue ehtics or conservation with a caymanian is like banging your head against a brick wall......goodnight....zzzzzz
And London and New York are
And London and New York are sooo famous for their environmental conservation efforts with all that concrete...
Eating horse is far worse in
When did horse go on the
When did horse go on the endangered species list?
Anon 1613 so for many many
Anon 1613 so for many many years the European powers and the USA killed the turtles out and now they are down here teaching caribbean people what not to do because they have learnt the errors of their mistakes over the years.
Guys the Turtle Farm as bad as it is operating is in the best interests of the Turtle. Use the report to improve it not kill it. The Farm will have to decide if due to international pressure they should stop killing any of the Turtles for sale of meat. Then they can release the extra where others will sit by and wait to kill them.
Or maybe the WSPA and all the supporters of closing the farm can tell us what this is really about because it has become very obvious it is not about saving the turtles.
Don't blame the US for your
Don't blame the US for your problems. We have turtles and are protecting them.
All animals are in danger of
All animals are in danger of being killed, either for sport (e.g. fox or bear hunting), or for food (e.g. tuna, halibut, swordfish, trout, bass, turkey, chicken, cows, buffalo, Ostrich, horses for dogfood).
Animals are also USED everyday for the enjoyment of humans (e.g. horse racing, dog racing, bull fighting, tarpon fishing, shark fishing, dolphin parks).
Before slamming the CTF here in Cayman, why doesn't Streeter and WSPA extend their efforts to battle for the rights of all of those other animals being used or mistreated and killed everyday for ultimate human purposes?
They are!
They are!
Close the tourism component.
Close the tourism component. That is no doubt the part that is costing the lions share of the $10,000,000 annual subsidy. Get rid of the CEO, the CFO, the COO, the HR Manager, the Information Officer, the Marketing Manager, the Food and Beverage Manager, and the rest...
Hire a Marine Biologist, a butcher, some labourers, and security.
Pick a number that you are comfortable with as a subsidy. Call it $100,000 a month.
Write a budget.
Maintain a clean facility.
Maintain a good breeding stock.
Sell the meat of 100 turtles a month.
Tag and release the rest.
the turlte farm is a loss
the turlte farm is a loss making entity that inhumanely treats and slaughters an endangered species....... the place is truly disturbing..... close it down
Interesting! How can you
Interesting! How can you humanely slaughter animals? I wonder how chickens and cows are slaughtered in a "humane" way and what the lobster thinks when you stick him in a boiling pot of water.......
In first world countries they
It can make a profit . The
It can make a profit . The CTF can make a profit its only because whenever we sign treaties we never compromise and get something back. We should sell shell jewelry and leather products and don't forget the oil. We can make moisturising creams ,soaps, perfumes, sun tan oils, skin medicines ,cosmetic oils. The CTF has a wonderful future if environmentalists would just leave Cayman ,"The islands that time forgot".
Can you imagine they have been trying to close this facility for over 35 years. The farm has changed standards and procedures, stopped selling worldwide a product that was so much in demand. You fools, who must be young, don't know the history of your ancestors. You also don't know anything about the history of the turtle farm ..........ASK.
in my opinion the CTF must be
in my opinion the CTF must be kept open. i am all for finding someone to help fund it e.g veteniary university. the CTF is helpingto relieve poaching on wild stocks because these turtle are not looked on with the reverence in south america as they are here. when seen there they are caught and killed. So if not fo the CTF realesing these turtles over the years im sure that they would be extinct or at least critical in the wild. this island nation is keeping the species alive e.g the Ridleys Kemp turtle (the rarest of all sea turtles) and snappin turtles.. how can anyone want to close a facility that is keeping alive some species of animals?
You talk like Cayman is the
You talk like Cayman is the center of the turtle world. It is just one island and if it disappeared only a couple of turtles would notice. People everywhere are protecting them. Only Cayman is eating them.
Cayman is the centre of the
Cayman is the centre of the green sea turtle world. It has the only sea turtle farm in the world.
But hardly any nesting on the
But hardly any nesting on the beaches. You need to get out more. People are working to aid sea turtles all over the world. Mainly you just eat them.
Not true. We are the only
Not true. We are the only place that helps to grow the wild turtle population by releasing them from the farm.
Not anymore you don't.
Not anymore you don't.
But not many nesting on your
But not many nesting on your beaches compared with the rest of the world.
Go to China and stop them
....and next Turkeys for
....and next Turkeys for Thanksgiving! How many of those get slaughtered and how many non-Americans in Cayman celebrate this and its not even our heritage.
It is nice to know that money
It is nice to know that money that could be spent supporting the education system is being used to subsidise the price of turtle meat.
Worth ewery penny...mmmmmmmmm
It's about time that the
true
true caymankindness.......zzzzzzzzzzzzz
if you eat wild tutle.... i
if you eat wild tutle.... i will hunt you down, arrest you and jail you....
So you feel more strongly
So you feel more strongly about turtle poaching than armed robbery? I didn't read any similar offers to apprehend armed robbers. Just shows how hysterical this whole campaign has become.
Me too
Me too
Sorry, typo. Me to.
Sorry, typo. Me to.
Anyone who eats turtle is a
We cannot accept name-calling
That's right - we native
That's right - we native Caymanians are Neanderthals. Does name-calling make you feel better?
Plenty of native Caymanians
Plenty of native Caymanians DON'T eat turtle meat. Those that do are Neanderthals.
Not all Caymanians, just the
Friends don't let friends
Friends don't let friends munch turtle.
Only if they are trying to
Only if they are trying to keep it for themselves. So yummmeeee!
since they are on the subject
since they are on the subject about Turtles does that mean we can't slaughter our cows i do so love beef. cow ranchers get ready one, two, three, POW! at least they have the ammunation.
And we see how you treat your
And we see how you treat your cattle you idiot.
Over 500 people participated
Over 500 people participated in the CNS online poll. Over 100 believe that the farm should be sold to a private entity. About 30 cold-hearted persons believe it should be made into a slaughterhouse. 76 gold-diggers say keep it as it is - a farm / tourist attraction. Only 77 agree with Ms. Tanya Streeter that it should be close down altogether and the turtles released. I am sorry, but I am sided with the over 230 pollsters out of the 500 to turn back the farm into a CONSERVATION facility to repopulate and protect the endangered animals. I think most Caymanians and expats believe in CONSERVATION. I can't see how Tanya would be against it. She has been off this rock for quite awhile; she must be ill-informed as to the primary reason of the facility and its creation.
Turning the farm into a
Turning the farm into a conservation facility is a great idea. Except that it will lead to poaching.
But it means that they will lose the revenue from selling the meat. This will just increase the losses even more!
And the complaints of the WSPA will still be there, over-crowding etc. unless a lot of these turtles are killed or released.
But the WSPA don't want them released as they claim they are diseased. So I guess they will have to kill them.
Personally I've triied turlte meat but it is a little too chewy for me. Plus it is very pricy!
XXXX All I know is, if you
XXXX
All I know is, if you close the farm and it will be taken it from the wild. At the end of the day Caymanians will continue to eat turtle... And I'm not being a "troll" I'm just being honest.
The poacher do it now anyway.
The poacher do it now anyway.
Multiply that by 100 and then
Multiply that by 100 and then you will get the picture of what it would be like with no farm.
errrrrrr - so 900 turtles
errrrrrr - so 900 turtles cost $10 million to produce? Ok - include the 60 or so that were released, that's still over $10,000 a turtle! And how many died from overcrowding?
No dumbass! The lost of money
No dumbass! The lost of money is due to Boatswains Beach, not the farm!!!
So how many turtles were lost to trawling nets around the world, today alone?!!!!
Oh but we not worried about that right, just what these little island people doing.