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Tax threshold may go to $30k

(CNS): According to government sources, it is likely to be the country’s immigration department that will collect the expat tax proposed by the premier, though it is not clear how. CNS also understands that government could be rethinking the level of pay at which the 10% tax on the earnings of foreign workers could kick in, raising the starting point to salaries above $30,000 and not the $20,000 that Premier McKeeva Bush had said when he first announced the controversial move last week. However, sources tell CNS that the only thing that appears to be certain is the uncertainty surrounding this tax and the current budget situation for government’s 2012/13 spending plans.

Bush is scheduled to meet with the public Wednesday evening, at which time, he has said, he will offer more details on what he has called a “community enhancement fee”, which is, in reality, a form of income tax of work permit holders. During a radio broadcast to the nation he suggested this tax would be 10% of the earnings of all work permit holders earning $20,000 or more, but those employees, as well as their employers, would no longer have to make a contribution to their pensions.

Since that announcement, the idea has received criticism from every corner of the private sector but gained what appears to be very limited support from Caymanians. The outrage of large sections of the community has been reflected mostly on Facebook and in the online media, where the vast majority of commenters, particularly on Cayman News Service, have made it clear that they do not support the tax.

Many locals believe that the imposition of direct taxation, once implemented, is unlikely to remain confined to expatriates and that it would represent a fundamental shift in Cayman’s economic fortunes.

The collection of the tax has also been slated across the island, not least by those in the offshore sector, who have pointed out that even before government has even established a secure mode of getting the revenue in, experts here will have created myriad financial vehicles to help workers avoid the tax.

The suggestion that immigration will be charged with collecting the fee suggests that it would be linked to work permits, which may means the tax will have to be paid annually, creating particular hardship for lower paid employees, or that the department will need to create a new enforcement arm to collect on a more regular basis.

It is not yet clear how immigration would check that the salary figure an employer says he is paying an employee is correct.

Check back to CNS later tonight for the latest news on the controversial expat tax.

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I was embarrassed last night

I was embarrassed last night for my Caymanian people. Having to sit there and listen to this self-proclaimed "Premier". It was really unbearable. I am not a PPM, nor am I a UDP. I believe this island is too small for parties.

How are you supposed to open up the floor to questions and comments when you don't give the people a chance to speak, or listen & answer their questions. Some people got up and started stating what they believe, he cut them off. there was a lady from West Bay, I believe, going off stating that she was not biased at all, then she followed it by saying 'if you want a fight, a fight is what you'll get'. This lady was allowed to go on with her attitude, but yet everyone else was cut off. If you are going to have a meeting/debate, treat all the same. As soon as I heard him say to a lady, whom had respect to hm by calling him Mr. Bush/Premier, he retaliated by saying 'listen to me little girl', and quickly retracted.

That was my last straw of having any respect for him. I have respect for my government, but no longer for him.

What we need to look at is the word 'fee'. If I'm correct, and I will look it up after in the dictionary, fee is for a service. What service will the ex-pat be receiving? I'm not out here to say get rid of everything, I'm just trying to get answers from the numerous questions asked but never answered.

Is it true that the rumor of his fellow constituents are slowly turning their back on him? I hear this may be true.

When are Chavez & Castro visiting? Must be soon.

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The Government has

The Government has Miscalculated. The people who come to Cayman (all of them) who are not Caymanian, came here, originally, because there is no direct taxation. For all the love of Country and talk of love for how great it is here and all the outpouring of good-vibrations that Cayman is special...  everything..  EVERYTHING that comes out of people's mouths stems from the fact that there is no direct taxation. Take that away and there will be love alright.  Love for Singapore,  love for Anguila, love for Bermuda, Love for Bahamas, Love for Monaco, Love for Luxembourg, Love for Switzerland, Love for Isle of Man, Love for London -   Do I need to keep going?  There IS TAX HERE NOW.  Call it a fee, a charge, a duty, a stamp, a cost, a service -the businesses and peopel and operators and Companies (often the same sandle clad shmos you see at Fosters)  who came here are perfectly mobile and can see through the smokescreen of verbiage. 

This is the mother of all miscalculations.  There hase been no greater piece of government foolishness in 20 years here, than this.  

Those who think this will pass without MATERIAL repercussion are dramatically mistaken..  These islands and their economy are in genuine trouble if it passes. First and Last comment here.

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You cannot speak for all.  I

You cannot speak for all.  I for one came here because it is a better place to raise children.  No taxation didn't even come into it.

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I am correct to say that

I am correct to say that since this a revenue making venture for the government, it is now essential to ensure expats are always employed instead of Caymanians.   

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Since the eary 1990s expats

Since the eary 1990s expats were the majority in jobs so nothing has changed since then and it will continue.  The only jobs that are exclusive to Caymanians are Politicians and that too will change and the day that changes it will never again return to the hands of Caymanians and I really await the day.

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I agree with the Premier on

I agree with the Premier on the community enhancement fee, however it is my humble opinion that whether one is making $1.00 or over $36,000 they use the same basic services and if it's a community enhancement fee everyone should pay their share.  Mr. Premier you need to go back to the drawing board on this one and make it from $1.00 to any amount.  The person that is making under $36,000 still drive on the same road, use the same sewage, need medical and police services, in the event of a natural disaster government must take care of them in the same way so nothing is really different when it comes to duty and care for an expat making under or above $36,000 and government need to stop this kind of thinking it is what has gotten us in trouble time and time again.  I use to love the policies of Mr. Jim because he would say if you can't afford to live here then you should not be here.  Any country that is successful has that same attitude.  I don't live in Bermuda because I cannot afford the lifestyle nor do I like their restrictions.   I would love to live in Monaco but again I cannot afford the lifestyle so as much as I would like to live and work there it is not possible.  The Cayman islands need to see themselves as great as Bermuda and Monaco and stop making the kind of compromises that will only let us become what we dislike so much "Third World".

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Yes, and as they already live

Yes, and as they already live in a land of indirect taxation (as you do) they already pay their share. You want them to pay your share too!  Do they get free schooling for their children like you do? NO! $1000 per term, I am told. Do they get free medical? Zero! . What about social services? I don't think they should get these serviced for free, but when I hear a radio host  expounding on the need for extra taxes on expat school children "because of the school in Frank Sound"'  it makes my blood boil. Only Caymanian school chidren are welcome there!

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Sorry Mr. Bush, I am VERY

Sorry Mr. Bush, I am VERY awake. And your policies are not only folly, but death to my home. Quit blaming others, and stop wasting my time, and destroying my childrens' future. Go to school, or at least listen to those that have. Your economic constricting measures continue to severely shrink our economy. The end can be foreseen, and it is Jamaica. Want some revenue cuts?! Here are a few easy ones. Cut half of the MLAs. 50,000 people. Do we on any planet need that many representatives for such a small islanc. It would be okay if any of them were effective. But what we have are Wasters, dictators, and sheep. That should be an easy million dollars in savings. Disallow pension collection for active govt. employees. It is patently offensive and morally wrong. Require tendering for all capital projects. Non nepotism. Do no allow despot politicians to use private funds for ANY non public use...Including anti one man one vote full page ads, priivate plane flights, and back door financing deals. That alone should save about 2 mil.
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Flying by the seat of our

Flying by the seat of our pants, are we?

 

Why my peeple hatin me

Even wen deir fridge for free?

It bodders me to some extent

Dat dey protesteth my event.

 

It's my event where I likes to speak

'bout conspiracies that sound all Greek.

If only Miller and his Depends

would stop harrassin me and my friendz.

 

Me friendz  dey like me an’ my tax

Dey tell me so by cell an’ fax.

Tax da expat freeze his wage

Tax da bed in which he lays.

 

If he hollas tax him more

Tax him til he good and sore.

Cibyll Service getting no cut back

If they do they cuss me black.

 

If dey cuss I cuss dem out

I got belly and I got mouth.

So if you hate my disconnection

Vote me out at da next election.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Expats Already contribute The

Expats Already contribute The signifcant portion of the governments revenues more than 50% already originate from Expat workers. Why are "Caymanians" Suggesting that Expats do not contribute at all and need to pay more.  The Expat Commuinty accounts for approximately two thirds of the total head count on the island. That means the majority of imports such as food, gas, and so on... this is all direct revenue to the Government Levied as Import dutys further Workpermit Fee's account for tens of millions of dollars per year most likly much much more.

 

If the Government wants to maintain such a high level of wasteful spending They will need to consider much more significant revenue sources Such as gaming if casino's were introduced A port would be built for free for cayman this offer was already made years ago. property values in the resort areas would soar as billions of dollars flood into the local markets builing up the infrastructure for the industry Dart would have lots of competition on his hands.

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20k --- 30k - doesn't matter

20k --- 30k - doesn't matter the results will be the same. The World has taken notice of this. Stop the hemorrhaging, reduce government spending. EZPZ Enough is enough.

And to poster "IT SEEMS FAIR" --- You do not deserve any answers to your simple minded questions. But alas, you will receive some.

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Well hopefully I can get a

Well hopefully I can get a job now with Immigration : 0

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How about putting a cap on

How about putting a cap on certian countries for the amount of work permits such as Jamaica,Phillipines, India,Pakistan and Ukrain and Bosnia.

or you are going to run this country into the ground like those countries until you realize and understand history?

Honestly the Immigration system does not work now so i dont see how this will help Caymanins get employment or the 10% collected.What do you have to show pay stubs? Will cash be pay or check only? What about monitoring cash tips for hospitality industry?   

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McKeeva has lost the plot.

McKeeva has lost the plot.

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Kee Kee is the absolute king

Kee Kee is the absolute king of "Fire - Ready -  Aim".

He should not be left in charge of his own teeth.

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Dont worry folks - if the

Dont worry folks - if the wind changes direction tonight he will just forget all about the silly idea by tomorrow...

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Damn right. Ernesto looks

Damn right. Ernesto looks like he's taking no prisoners.

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Tens of throusands $s are

Tens of throusands $s are transferred out of the Cayman economy by expatriates every week (millions every year). Put 2% duty on money transfers out of the country.

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Not sure you understand what

Not sure you understand what your economy is based on (hint: untaxed money). Start putting taxes on money transfers and the financial services industry will be dead before the expats have even boarded a plane out...
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Dumbo, this is already being

Dumbo, this is already being done. You sound like then illiterates who look to blog foolishly. How bout you get a clue next time?
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What about ex pat money

What about ex pat money coming in. Do they get 2 per cent on their money?
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Expat money coming in???? 

Expat money coming in????  From where my friend?  If you had money elsewhere you would NOT be here.

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You really don't understand

You really don't understand the concept of a tax neutral jurisfiction, do you?
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Actually, over a million

Actually, over a million dollars a day leaves Cayman just to replace the food we all eat. Even more leaves to replace the rest of the stuff. I think you mean you want to tax money leaving by wire through Western Union and Quick Cash type services where expats send money home to their families. If we discourage them frm coming here to work do you think Caymanians will wait on tables at restaurants or serve as cashiers? They can now but choose not to.

 

 

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Idiot, where do you think

Idiot, where do you think those tens of thousands (millions every year) are coming from.  Not Cayman.  So what if it leaves.  It's not like Cayman is creating this wealth.

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there is already a tax on

there is already a tax on money transfers

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I heard this same idea by a

I heard this same idea by a caller to the radio talk show. It may have been you. You don't seem to understand that money must leave our shores everyday in order to replace the food we eat, the fuel we consume and all our other needs for survival or comfort. By taxing this outflow of money would be the same as adding another 2% on import duty when the goods we purchase come back in. That was already done when the Premier upped the duty from 20% to 22%. Look at what that did to the country. Every increase in tax  ends up being paid by we the consumers in the end which makes our cost of living higher and government poorer. Less government and less tax is what is needed here to stimulate spending and a healthy economy. This government has raises fees and taxes in every area it could since taking office and now we can truly say that the result is not more revenue for government but rather, less spending power for the people who generate the revenue government needs. Eventually when they have levied their last tax and are still in deficit they may see the light. When the money runs out and they are no longer able to get bridge loans, the ability to make payroll to Civil Service will end and there will be a whole lot of Civil Servants either working for free or rioting in the streets. Only then will the necessary tax relief come.

 

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iit's currently 5% for money

iit's currently 5% for money transfers, you are behind the times

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He threatened that before,

He threatened that before, and me and everyone else with more than 6 zeros behind them wired their money out and away from the CIG's reach that day.  Notably, some banks had "capitalization issues" shortly after that announcement.  If you try this we'll simply wire the savings out now before it starts and take out the rest in cash when we go shopping in Miami.  You'll catch a few dollars from those low income workers sending money back home by those transfer services, since they don't go shopping in Miami that often, but are those poor folks the ones you really want to put the squeeze on?

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So did you have 6 zeros

So did you have 6 zeros before you came here?

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This policy is being drafted

This policy is being drafted piecemeal on the back of napkins and beer mats.  What a sorry state of incompetent affairs.

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Like the US and other

Like the US and other developed countries THE RCIP SHOULD BE ONE OF

GOVERNMENTS  LARGEST SERVICE REVENUE GENERATORS!

 

FINES for Littering the streets

Speeding

DUI including free government labor cleaning up the streets save money on PWD

Driving without Insurance

Driving without a Seat Belt on

Driving with a baby jumping around in the car not in safety seat,

Driving without a DRL

Driving with faulty condition

Driving with one head light

Driving with no tail light

Driving on the wrong side of the road

And so much more. ...think of something and post it

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Repeatedly responding to

Repeatedly responding to faulty burglar alarms.  If your system is faulty you should get it fixed.

 

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If we could only collect $10

If we could only collect $10 for every time a police officer goes through a round about driving with his knees while talking on a cell phone and eating a pattie at the same time, then the country would be rich.

As another money maker we could charge them $2 per hour for sitting in their cars - parked with the A/C on - that would bring in another million or two.

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I can add some to your

I can add some to your list

Driving in the sunlight

Driving in the rain

Talking to your passenger while driving

Looking at women in bikinis while driving

Oops I will get caught every day  - so skip that last one...

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If we enact a tax, and it is

If we enact a tax, and it is illegal not to pay it, we can no longer hide behind the concept of "dual criminality" when allowing foreign nationals and corporations to open bank accounts here to avoid taxation in their home countries.

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Err... that test went out

Err... that test went out with the 1990s. 

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Could be a very pertinent

Could be a very pertinent point
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You really don't know what

You really don't know what you're talking about.  Do the initials PCCL, KYC, FATCA, EUSTD, OECD mean anything at all to you?  Type them into Google next to the word Cayman and learn something before posting uneducated, inane and unhelpful comments.

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As far as I am aware tax

As far as I am aware tax avoidance / tax evasion is not a currently a crime in Cayman.  That was the point I was trying to make.  Correct me if I am wrong.

 

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Tax avoidance isn't a crime

Tax avoidance isn't a crime here, or anywhere else. Tax evasion in most other places and is here, too (for instance, it's a crime to falsify invoices to pay less import duty or to falsify a contract to buy property to pay less stamp duty). Tax evasion used to be prevalent in the Cayman Islands with respect to foreign nationals trying to evade taxes owed in their own jurisdictions. If a person is evading taxes on money earned illegally (which is what the Americans jailed Al Capone on) then it could be considered a crime here under the Proceeds of Criminal Conduct Law.  It's true that other forms of tax evasion on money earned legally in other jusiridictions isn't a crime here, it can rarely happen any more because of all the regulatory legislation Cayman has signed on to. FATCA, in particular, will virtually end even attempted tax evasion by Americans in Cayman (and most other countries where Americans do business).

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Thanks everyone for clearing

Thanks everyone for clearing that up, it has been about 10 years since I worked in banking, so I am definitely behind the times  :)

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I think that you will find

I think that you will find that this government signed away the concept of "dual criminality" in all those unread but hastily signed tax agreements that they put in place at the request of the OECD tax collectors.

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I thought Dual Criminality

I thought Dual Criminality was dividing the country into 9 electoral districts of 2 members.

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Can someone remind me how the

Can someone remind me how the SEZ is beneficial to Cayman? They pay almost no work permit fees and have numerous concessions, so there is no direct revenue to Govt, yet Govt is prepared to introduce taxes on work permit holders which will have a long last negative impact to Cayman, to make up for its short fall. Remind me again how this makes sense.

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Don't worry - the SEZ

Don't worry - the SEZ candidates have heard by now of the MACroscopic instability in the Cayman Islands and have decided to go to one of the hundreds and hundreds of other SEZs in the world:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Economic_Zone

Mac's "Extinction Event" means we don't have to talk about these sorts of things anymore.  The large lady is done singing, and the Operata Camania is over.

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Yup no income tax for those

Yup no income tax for those in the "zone".

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"...the suggestion that

"...the suggestion that immigration will be charged with collecting the fee suggests that it would be linked to work permits, which may means the tax will have to be paid annually, creating particular hardship for lower paid employees, or that the department will need to create a new enforcement arm to collect on a more regular basis."

The whole tax thing is ludicrous in any event, but even if we were to entertain it, should Immigration to expect to receive this payment annually upon the renewal of a work permit, how the heck would someone bringing home $577 a week, be able to come up with a $3,000+ annual payment one month in a year, and still be able to afford to pay their rent, utilities, feed and clothe their children, etc. in that same month? 

The whole idea is complete madness.  Stuff your tax and start doing what you're afraid to do Mac, cut those top-level salaries and top level people tossing it off on their jobs for $100,000+ per year, take those cuts in salaries you all promised us but renegued upon, stop spending money like a crack addict and start doing your frickin job.  If you can't, do the right thing and step down you are killing us all.

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Well I hope no Caymanian

Well I hope no Caymanian isn't complaining about an increase in work permit fees?

This will provide another incentive to use local labour.

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Idiot, first you need to have

Idiot, first you need to have the motivation to work in the first place. I can't wait to see the bars and restaurants full of Caymanian staff, I hope you're not thirsty or hungry.

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