Bush proposes 9 districts
Posted on Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:55 in Politics
(CNS): Despite the majority result in Wednesday’s referendum in favour of one man, one vote and single member constituencies, the premier has proposed an entirely different voting system and has announced his intention to set up a committee to examine the idea of creating eight districts on Grand Cayman, each returning two members, and retaining the status quo on Cayman Brac. Speaking on Radio Cayman on Thursday evening, McKeeva Bush announced his intention to create a bipartisan committee to examine this or other options. Such a proposal would, however, require the boundaries on Grand Cayman to be entirely redrawn.
In his unpublicised broadcast on the government radio station Bush said this proposal for returning 18 members to the legislative Assembly at the next election would address local perceptions about inequality but would not have what he believed were the “dangerous elements” of single member constituencies.
Although the referendum result delivered a clear and irrefutable message to the government about what the people want, with only ten months before the next general election the premier is proposing to completely change the boundaries established by the constitutionally formed boundaries commission.
Bush described the creation of eight double-member constituencies on Grand Cayman with as equal a number as possible of registered electors, who would have one vote each, where the top two candidates would be returned to the country's parliament.
Echoing comments made by Rolston Anglin shortly before the referendum, Bush said that there needed to be more discussion on improving the electoral system, as he announced the creation of a new group to examine the way Cayman votes.
Despite considering the referendum result a binding 'No' Bush said he was a leader that looked at all the angles of how people feel.
While I don’t believe that single member constituencies are good for the country, I want to continue to work for equality and a system that is fair," he said.
"I would propose we continue the discussions as to whether our present system should be examined without being skewed by the prism of so much politicization and whether we should consider moving toward a new system of all multimember constituencies, with eight electoral districts for Grand Cayman of roughly the same number of voters each and each electoral district returning two MLAs."
He said that Cayman Brac and Little Cayman would be left as is but the change on Gradn cayman would be in line with the principles of “equality and fairness as advocated by the One Man One Vote Committee."
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Maybe Booby Quay can become a
Maybe Booby Quay can become a district and put the WEST BAY 4 to run that.
This is impossible! Our
This is impossible! Our beloved premier very unjustly rigged the system so OMOV couldn't possibly win. OMOV STILL won, and now he's begging the country to please keep him in gowerment by introducing OMOV but we have to do it HIS way???!!!
GERRYMANDERING, which bush is
GERRYMANDERING, which bush is probably going to attempt, is the old ploy of trying to arrange voting boundaries for the benefit of a specific political party. If he intends to set boundaries so that each constituency has about the same number of voters, which ballpark would come out at about 1500/2000 per section, West Bay would have two constituencies returning FOUR MLA's - anything sound familiar. But look at the Eastern districts of GC - how far West would the boundary have to be drawn to provide 2000 registered voters, and consider the geographical infrastructure for which just two MLA's would be responsible.
What seems contradictory if the CNS report is correct, is that what bush appears to be suggesting is that within the 8 equinumerical constituencies each person would have ONE vote and the two candidates receiving the most votes would be elected to the LA - doesn't that sound a bit like OMOV ? Or, does he mean 2 votes per person, one for each of their two favorites.
The best solution for the
The best solution for the people is:
NO districts.
Everybody votes for anybody.
3 or 4 political parties based on policy and opinion not district.
Candidates can not have any link to local business.
No need to be registered as a voter, just 18 or older.
SO a person from westbay could vote for a person from eastend.
THIS will unite the cayman islands.
Consider this........Bush and
Consider this........Bush and all his bushmen launched a campaign against OMOV and said "nothing is wrong with this system....we have used it for 180 years". Then right before the referendum day they agreed a bettter system was needed BUT they could not agree what that better system might be....each one of them has their very differing solutions........clearly they are all confused, and clearly their confusion confused their faithful followers (as always). The good news is thankfully we can all sleep a little easier now knowing that West Bayers are finally catching on as is evidenced by the results of the votes in that district. It would not surprise me now though if someone has told Bush things don't look good for him in 2013 (he would never figure that out for himself) and soon launches a campaign to divide West Bay into 9 districts and everyone can vote for only him up to 9 times. They may have also suggested that he joins Bodden Town, North Side and East End into one district to try to eliminate Ezzard and Arden......don't laugh....XXX. Beware!
Mckeeva's only reason for
Mckeeva's only reason for suggesting such a system is because he now realizes that it will be very difficult for a UDP candidate to win in a Single Member Constituency. But they may have a chance for second place if they run some spoilers. Trust me, he is no fool when it comes to manipulating systems.
We must not settle for another system that can be manipulated by politicians. Electoral systems must operate in the best interest of the voters.
Mr.Bush. It's over. Go home
Mr.Bush. It's over. Go home and lie down. You'll feel a lot better and so will the rest of us who won't have to bear listening to you yelling your head off come the next general election. But if you do decide to run, for pity's sake put down the (superfluous) bullhorn and attempt to address the public with some measure of decorum. Thank you.
Blogger at 14:58...Its not
Blogger at 14:58...Its not the opposition to focus on the Economy, they are not the majority Government. Its the UDP that has to focus on the Economy, Balancing the budget and other matters. For 3 years plus they have been waiting for the PPM and the Independent member for NS to give them ideas on how to manage the finances and how to do things. Right now all money matters are being channel through the Premiers office, rather than through the Treasury and because of that, they cannot account for where the monies are going to and it makes the budget very hard to balance. Sure the UDP will say they have a surplus, but show me the money. Are they paying their bills? Did they balance the books yet for 2005 - 2009? I don't think so, because they don't want you the people to see the true picture. They can't be truthful and they cannot handle the truth. They are a bunch of very angry politician, because they cannot control the UK. They will never admit that they cannot achieve anything like the PPM did in such a short space of time. They just cannot! All they have done for 3 years is to blame the PPM and Alden. They gets up on platforms and tries to slaughter anybody that opposes them or do something that they did not instigate and just row row row. I heard the doing character assasination on Wayne Panton, Mr. Moxam, Ezzard, Alden and others. They are good at that. They are just incompetent leaders.
The UK is not sleeping,
The UK is not sleeping, Cayman and Caymanians had better wake up. Look around at what is happening the HSCB issue and what is going on in USA politics. Do you belive the financial industry will be untouched for much longer? We had better wake up and smell the coffee.
I hear that the UK guys in
I hear that the UK guys in TCI know their date to leave the island - have been told to have a vacation prior to their next assignment - I wonder where that will be
Agreed. An estimated $280
Agreed. An estimated $280 billion in lost income tax revenues stashed in offshore banks represents a huge black hole in the world economy. Ironic that the Premier of Cayman would blame the "downturn of world economy" since Cayman banking is one of the causes.
Idiotic proposal!! This is
Idiotic proposal!! This is the man who said the day before that if its not broken, don't fix it. Yet, he is making a proposal to change it. Idiotic!! Speaking out of both sides of his mouth and just so immature.
Mac rigged the election by
Mac rigged the election by setting hurdles to high to over come but he still lost because his whole party is exposed to holding us down and back. But we know who they are the "Takers and Fakers" of the UDP and they will pay the price for what they have done to our little nation. They do not deserve power of any kind.
OMTV. Finally, a solution I
OMTV. Finally, a solution I can live with. I get two votes and my wife and the other womenfolk, don't get a say. The country is saved!
Let's go the whole way and
Let's go the whole way and bring back the property qualification.
The Cayman Islands are
The Cayman Islands are over-governed; too many MLAs.
Perhaps we should cut the LA down to 9 MLAs and scrap the geographic boundaries. Elections should be a country wide free for all where the top 9 vote getters are elected to the LA.
This would lower the cost of government dramatically and perhaps get a better caliber of MLA into the LA.
We do not need micro-managing MLAs. Rather, the country needs well educated, competent, and ethical men and women in the LA who will guide the country strategically and let the civil service put the strategy into practice without micro-managed political control.
I guess I am a dreamer.
This ship Cayman Islands is
This ship Cayman Islands is taking in water and sinking fast we had better start working together before it sinks soon. The time is now for us to work together and stop playing politics. Cayman needs sound leadership, we need to balance the budget, get control over unemployment, reduce crime and empower our young people. This political party postering needs to stop and until it does we will only go deeper into chaos. I know our politicians love this country and they should do the right thing in coming together to find solutions to our problems collectively. Thank you all and may God continue to bless and keep us as a nation under God.
Cayman let's face reality.
Cayman let's face reality. Anyone opposing the current Goverment, be it PPM or independents find a way to come together. Put personal grievances aside and find a way to elimilate the UDP May 2013. The ball is in your court. Until this goal is where the focus is we will be beating our gums to no avail. Cayman it's time for the sensible ones of us to admit that this is our goal and reach this at any cost. Do not let McTheva divide and conquer. This is the reason he won in the last election. The independents were against him, PPM were against him but dividing the vote between PPM and the independents allowed UDP to have the majority. Whoever does not see that needs a pair of glasses. Focus on the ultimate goal and we will reach it.
The Premier has advanced
The Premier has advanced too far to recede with saftey: he is deeply interested to execute his purpose, if possible....In common life, to retract an error even in the beginning is no easy task. Perseverance confirms us in it and rivets the difficulty....To this we may add that disappointment and opposition inflame the minds of men and attach them still more to their mistakes
At least 9 is better than 18.
At least 9 is better than 18. Don't know why Ezzard and Alden would oppose it. Nothing it seems cant please them if it is not coming from them. What solutions have they came up with to help UDP boost the economy? None to this day
I think you missed something,
I think you missed something, the number would be the same. Mac is suggesting 9 districts with 2 members each which is also 18.
You have to bear in mind he's
You have to bear in mind he's a UDP supporter.
Mac! You have no right to
Mac! You have no right to impose on us YOUR OMTV system! You didn't put that question in the referendum and how dare you think that is what the majority of us want! You are disgusting! Now please leave things as they are so we can show you what we'll do in May 2013. We are tired of the shinanigans.
Bush said, "A committee to
Bush said, "A committee to examine the idea of creating eight districts on Grand Cayman"
I like the 2 man idea, but I want this board to be a selected with PPM, UDP and OMOV committee members as well, not just a hand picked by Mr. Bush. Now I'll say that's a fair
If the Premier Bush
If the Premier Bush establishes a committee to make recommendations on the voting system, I hope Steve McField is appointed to this committee! He needs something to do with all his expertise!
This is pure hypocrisy! The
This is pure hypocrisy! The Premier ... no scratch that , that ship has sailed. The rest f the UDP MLA's should be ashamed of themselves. The UDP has obviously used the referendum results to estimate the results of the next election and has seen the writing on the wall. This move has nothing to do with whats best for the people, any principle of good Government or appropraite electoral structures. It is puely about whats best for the party in the maority Government. We currently have 6 'constituencies'. Mr. Bush now proposes 9. Here are the differences, single-member consituences preserve the natural boundaries between ddistricts. In Mr. Bush's version East End and North Side will likely become one consituency! Likely, this is his intention to cause problems for his 2 biggest opponents the MLA's of those districts and to punish the people in those district for overwhelmingly supporting the concept that they have enjoed representation under for decades. Contrary to the statement in the article it doesnt allow Cayman Brac and Little Cayman to have what it wants, that would be double-member consituencies with 'one man 2 votes'. He is proposing to support the concept of one man 1 vote. So Brackers would still oppose it because they want to be able to have 2 votes each. It does allow them to remain as one distrct, which is what they wanted. The other districts will have their boundaries moved so that the natural district boundaries for GT, BT and WB may all be affected, but likely it would only affect BT and GT. So basically rather than sacrifice one district's natural boundary by splitting it in 2 under SMC's, we are now ging to sacrifice all the others. What this really highlights is that if we agree to Mr. Bush's proposals, we would be increasing the risk of gerrymandering in the country. Under SMC's it is more difficult because the relatively smaller population in each consituency acts as a barrier to gerrymandering. With double member-constituencies, and the removal of the natural district boundaries the risk of gerymandering significantly increases. At some point the political process needs to be about the people not the politicians. I will ignore only for the timebeing the fact that Mr. Bush told us the referendum had to be called early because we wouldnt have enough time if we delayed, and now he is proposing (at least I hope he is proposing) a new referendum on this topic, I assume within the same time-frame. I will ignore for the timebeing the fact that Mr. Bush has not yet agreed a bdget with the UK, and has spent the people's money playing games with them on the referendum topic. I will ignore for the timebeing that those monies spent on a lavish 'no-vote' campaign will likely come from the pockets of civil servants in the form of pay cuts. I will ignore these things for the timebeing. But mark my words UDP, I will not be ignoring them in May 2013. What you have done is shameful and abhorent. And I pray that those who are ignorant to what you are doing and wh blindly follow will have the scales removed from their eyes. You who have come as a wolf in sheeps clothing.
When Dart comes after my
When Dart comes after my property and convinces the Premier to proclaim 'imminent domain' so DartCo can build some unnecessary extravaganza, will you support me in keeping my own heritage?
See, I don't want to sell out. I want something to leave to the children, as they have worked the land also, and respect it. Land can produce food, but that doesn't matter to the big boys, the movers and shakers. Nope. They want big slices of the pie, and dribble the crumbs from their plates for us to fight over.
This is exactly what the Premier is proposing: Yet another division -- in the aftermath of their claims of dividing via OMOV -- of all of us. Divided, we are weaker.
Now is the time for all of us to Cayman UP. Have some grit, and stand strong for your country. These people -- the UDP -- want to sell it all away, or cause you to sell it, and call that "nation-building".
Don't sell out. Hold your ground. The late, great Captain Keith Tibbitts told me once many, many years ago......... " you walk on your ground, and you plant your foot down on your ground, and you defy anyone to move you off of it. That is the basis of your heritage -- to be Caymanian."
Mac just called and asked me
Mac just called and asked me to be Chairman of the 9-Districts Committee. I am to consult as widely as possible, and assure everyone that their input is valuable and will form part of the final report. Early in January I am to report back to him with the following recommendations:
District 1 - West Bay N
District 2 - West Bay S
District 3 - West Bay E
District 4 - West Bay W
District 5 - West Bay M (miggle?)
District 6 - George Town
District 7 - Bodden Town
District 8 - North Side and East End
District 9 - Cayman Brac and Little Cayman
At the end of the month he is going to award me some shiny medals, and in May he will take the title of Honourable and Distinguished Premier for Life.
Puppet Mac is confused. He
Puppet Mac is confused.
He has been saying for months thatthe present system has worked well and does not need to be changed.
The man is XXXXXXXXX!
Was not the goal of the
Was not the goal of the petition for the OMOV movement to force a Peoples Initiated Referendum ? Which would require 50% Plus one to become legally binding. And from what I remember Bush decided to give them what they wanted because of all the hoopla surrounding the petition. Even Miller said Bush caved in to the pressure and decided to give them what they wanted which was a peoples initiated referendum. So why are people complaining ? Am I missing something.
This is what happens when
This is what happens when you follow blind leaders. The people get all their hopes up high and then they get hurt. Like what Pitcarin said on News 27 the other night, "when the elephants play, the grass gets hurt." At least Alden should have showed more support, but he wasn't all into the movement. He was reluctant to show that support, he said yes, but his heart wasn't in it, because he wasnt the author of it. And Ezzard, my Ezzard, he should have known better. He claim he understood the strategy of the current government, but the timing was wrong, and I must admit he had his political interest too. The people follow these leaders and now look at the people. Look at their faces of dissappointment. All I have to say to Alden, Ezzard and those behind the grassroot, thank you guys for breaking the people's morale. Thank you very much. For sure, I will not be voting for any of you again. You have failed me. Next time, have a referendum that you are certain we will win!
Anyone got a clip of Ellio
Anyone got a clip of Ellio vs. Moxam?? I heard it was very interesting "debate"
When will opposition focus
When will opposition focus their attention on the economy instead of trying to justify themselves after a huge lost? Anyways, politrick as usual.
You are confused. It is the
You are confused. It is the govt. that must focus its attention on the economy. It alone has the power to make the necessary changes.
I'm wondering myself when the
I'm wondering myself when the current government will focus on the economy too. Jetting around the world and signing MOU's that never come to fruition and throwing away public money on failed loans and failed campaigns is hardly focussing on the economy either
The representation under the
The representation under the UDP is so lop-sided it leaves a bad taste in our mouths. When the government is so gregarious, self-centred, bias in their administration, and is willing to let greed (friendship generosity) cause the indigenous Caymanian to be deprived of what has been handed down from our ansestors to be given away to their cronies/developers, What more can we expect in the forseeable future, from such an irresponsible group of people.
Politics was at its best during the tirade of the UDP, over the past few weeks which culminated on the 17th July. Their hostile tone and castigation was an eye opener to those who had supported them and now has a keen sense and understanding of who they are. I hope they have read the results of the land give-away in the TCI and understand the ramifications of it. I patiently await the results in the CAYMAN ISLANDS.
Oh my, and here we are
Oh my, and here we are thinking it's the f**king GOWERMENT who's supposed to focusing their attention on the economy.
Why are you going on about
Why are you going on about the opposition, this article is all about the UDP - is that you Foolio? Selling oranges when the discussion is about apples again?
No, please tell me this a
No, please tell me this a joke (even though it is far from being funny). After Bush & his few remaining cronies (XXXXX), publicly shouted it from every media outlet possible that dividing the country up will bring garrison politics, gangs & bloodshed Bush is now going to tell us that he proposes to DIVIDE the country up into 9 districts? Has he gone mad? Does he not have any sense? (Don't answer that one). Does he not have any PRIDE? What a hypocrite. To divide the country up into 9 districts is the same as dividing it up into 18 constituencies, it is only a matter of name, it is still "DIVIDE"! I mean, he has got to go. The poor showing of his supporters voting "no" in the referendum has really affected his head, he obviously is not thinking straight. The massive % of people voting "yes" at the polls must really have him worried, someone please help him, he obviously needs it. Things don't look good for his election prospects in May, if he lasts that long. XXXX
Hmmm...? One man, two votes
Hmmm...? One man, two votes (OMTV)? Well! I am usually the first in line to cast really big stones at the moronic ideas and mindless actions of our beloved Big Mackahuna; however, the idea of making the electoral system at least a bit more fair is perhaps one of the more brilliant ideas I have heard from him of late. It might be the only good idea we will ever hear from him. So don't bash it too hard! Let's pause in our condemnation long enough to consider the benefits.
OMTV puts all electors in all nine districs on equal footing. It makes representation in all nine districts more proportional. Well, almost all, anyway: Cayman Brac and Little Cayman will still have a disproportionally greater ratio of MLA's to population than Grand Cayman but since the Brac usually gets the short end of the stick in most everything else (but dey gots some nice parking lots doh) I can see giving 'em at least this one tiny advantage.
OMTV is a fairly decent compromise between the two warring factions. The idea could perhaps mollify the more moderate OMOV'ers without alienating too many of the Status Quo'ers. It moves toward more equal representation and greater accoutability. And it is a significant nudge closer toward OMOV! I like it!
Of course Most High Lord Wizzard Miller is probably gonna howl against OMTV for obvious reasons (or maybe not, let's wait and see).
Congratulations Mac! You now have one good idea to your credit! Don't let it die of lonliness, OK?
Where did you get OMTVs
Where did you get OMTVs from?
"Bush described the creation of eight double-member constituencies on Grand Cayman with as equal a number as possible of registered electors, who would have ONE VOTE EACH, where the top two candidates would be returned to the country's parliament".
Sorry - you didn't read it
Sorry - you didn't read it all the way through - Mac is proposing one man one vote with the first and second places getting into the LA. This means that, whoever you vote for someone you didn't vote for will get in!
I think "one man, two votes"
I think "one man, two votes" is to sidestep from the idea I was proposing. I recommended that everybody should have two votes: one vote for their district MLA and the other vote (an all-island vote) for who becomes Premier. That way, the electorate will have the right and prevelege to RECALL or REMOVE the Premier from power before his term is up IF THE PEOPLE HAS LOST CONFIDENCE IN HIM.
The fact that he is considering a bipartisan committee to investigate his option, maybe they can throw in the all-island vote option of who becomes Premier. I bet that would stir the pot of controversy a bit. But look, it is about time you give the people more of a participatory role in holding their Premier accountable.
I am presently so full of
I am presently so full of emotions that it is hard to contain the ugliness that wants to show itself, so in an effort to be constructive I have put the pen to paper. With that being said I put the below for your consideration.
So we couldn’t wait until November and had to bring the OMOV Referendum forward to July to give enough time to make preparations for the 2013 elections if it were to pass. Because we had to have it in July, we cut off the ability of Caymanians that have the right to vote but are not registered from registering, therefore refusing them the right to have a say in their countries future. We were told “We should not change what isn’t broken” as “it has served us well for 180 years”, “do not divide Cayman up any more than it is”.
But
Within 48 hours of winning an arguably bias referendum the same super hero can have the audacity to suggest his version of a better system 10 months before the election?
So are we to believe somehow we should be able to have national discussions and implement the new and wonderful idea that has been proposed by him, but we didn’t have enough time to have the OMOV referendum when our population wasn’t on summer break, when all eligible voters could have been registered if they wanted to…
Anyone that sees this as a nice meld of the OMOV/SMC and MMC is in for a VERY rude awakening. The EBC (Electoral Boundaries Commission) did an extensive research and development process that resulted in constituencies that are as diverse as possible in regards to many factors of our socioeconomic make up. In my opinion the constituencies being divided into 8 or 9 will not allow the degree of diversity per constituency as was achieved by the EBC when it recommended the 18. This seems like a farfetched thought process, but do the math, and then apply that to the geography with consideration to the population. Given that the constituencies will be of fairly even population density. I see a very possible situation where NS, EE and part of BT become one, Then on the other side of the island you will have the northern WB from the cemetery or fire station north (poorer) and the Southern WB from Silver Sands south to Camana Bay (rich) and then some kind of muddled mess in between. I would go into the issues that this type of proportioning will cause, but I am sure you can see where this is going, and it isn’t good.
People, I can only say to you that there is a reason the present Government decided to put on hold all the urgent issues to spend the better part of 3 weeks lambasting anyone who didn’t see it their way. There is a reason they spend in excess of $100,000 (possibly far more) to cram their opinion down your throat through their “education campaign”. Think back just a couple months and relive what has happened and been said, now compare that to what has just been suggested by your government. I wish I felt comfortable enough to unite behind them, but unfortunately I feel nothing less than a strong sense of distrust. I sincerely want my Government to show me some reasons to trust them, I want to feel that they are working towards a better Cayman, but unfortunately I see and feel otherwise. And until I do feel that I have a Government that is truly working for the best interest of Cayman, even if that means they are having to do something that is uncomfortable for me, I will continue to get stronger in my endeavors to serve Cayman in any and all ways that I am able.
Kent McTaggart
Kent my dear, I applaud you
Kent my dear, I applaud you and your team for your hard work on this issue. No matter how the ruling party tries to skew the results, it was a resounding "YES" for OMOV. Well done! Quite honestly I find this latest announcement/proposal by the Premier not only vexing but also alarming. The people of the eastern districts spoke very clearly as to what their desires are and I think he and his government would do well to heed their wishes or leave well enough alone. The Premier and his croonies were shouting from the rooftops that the system was not broken and that it should be left alone, so, pray do tell why would he now, immediately after the Referendum, put forward this new halfcocked propoal? What I do know is that the people of East End and North Side in particular, are unlikely to passively allow such a drastic change to be made, period. The suggestion that some committe put together by the Premier and his UDP government would be the body to examine the merits of such a change is laughable. It might be good for those concerned to remember that North Siders and East Enders are unique people who are not easily intimidated and are unafraid to take a stand! So, if you insist Mac, just bring it on and lets see how it pans out!
Mr McTaggart, I do hope you
Mr McTaggart, I do hope you are considering running in the next election. Its refreshing to read your posts. I was beginning to think common sense was a vanishing commodity - you have given me hope, I wish you well sir.
How about calling the WB Road
How about calling the WB Road from HSBC to WB Cemetery West Bay and the current area from the Cemetery to all the Western landmark as The Republic, with one leader McKeeva.
Then just have 12 members, rather than 15 and 18.
Leave the other districts alone......
Excellent idea!
Excellent idea!
It would be really exciting
It would be really exciting if he also proposed term limits for MLAs, Let them serve four or five terms in total and then step aside for some new blood.
Two terms is enough, and the
Two terms is enough, and the second term should be served at Northward.
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