Eligibility to be elected to the Cayman Is Legislative Assembly

Are there any constitutional lawyers out there? Could we hear from you? I need some clarity on a couple of points.

During discussions on CNS re the alleged incident in  the LA lunch room(see "UDP backbencher accuses opposition leader of assault") it was suggested that we needed someone like Mr Tim Ridley to lead us by running for election and becoming Premier.It was the opinion of some posters that this was not allowed under the present constitution,others were of the opinion that it is allowed.Section 61.1 states that to be qualified to be elected to the LA one must  be a) a Caymanian ,and b)21 years old,and c)domiciled and resident,and d)a qualified citizen,and either e)  born in Cayman or if born abroad have one Caymanian parent or grandparent,or f) have lived in Cayman for 15 yrs out of the previous 20. Section 61.2 describes a qualified citizen as a British overseas Territorities Citizen by virtue of a connection to the Cayman Is and who either a) has no other citizenship(except for country of birth) or b) was born abroad and having at least one Born Caymanian parent or grandparent  (and has no other citizenship except by birth)    This seems to indicate that we could indeed have not only an expat controlled LA but also an expat as Premier..Also with regard to Section 62.1g of the 2009 constitution it states (and I paraphrase) that if a candidate has not declared his interests within one month immediately prior to election day is disqualified from running.This would seem to indicate that declaration should take place inside the last month;if so this seems to be the exact opposite of the corresponding section in the previous constitution.The previous section stated that declaration should be at least one month before i.e one month or more.Help me please,I am not a lawyer. Lenard Whittaker.
 

 

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So, what you are saying is

So, what you are saying is that even after living on-island for 20 odd years, contributing to every day society (socially and finacially), fully entrenched within the community, raising my children here, I still don't count? Can't vote? No voice?
Not Nice!!!
Go to Canada...no one's REALLY from there anyway (except the Aboriginals...and look what the government did to them!!!) The Governor General (aka: Walmart Greeter) is Haitian...
That's all I have to say...

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Dear Mr. Lenard, I am an

Dear Mr. Lenard,
I am an expat who apparently meets the criteria to stand. I would consider it an honour to represent the Caymanian people and return democracy to the consensus of the indigenous majority, not just at election time, but every subsequent major decision will be decided by the people via referendum.
I do not claim to have any magic solutions, but working together in the spirit of cooperation, I am sure we can return these blessed islands to the tranquility that they once knew. I do not for a moment imagine that this will be easy, but as long as we are moving in the right direction for the good of the people, we cannot be ashamed.

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It is like Gulliver's Travels

It is like Gulliver's Travels met apartheid.

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Okay, so I went to our local

Okay, so I went to our local library and checked out the DVD 'Gulliver's Travels', watched the entire movie with my children and still don't get the connection to apartheid...or this thread. 
 
Apartheid is a very serious subject, but Gulliver's Travels isn't.
 
Care to connect the dots?

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Why don't you read the book

Why don't you read the book (the real book not one with pictures of Jack Black in it), study the politics of England at that time, take some faltering steps towards understanding satire and then, and only then, it might be worth entering into discourse with you.  I really really hope you are joking with your post and there aren't people as ignorant and uneducated as that.  Gulliver's Travels was, and is, a very very serious work.

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To Oops there it is Wed

To Oops there it is Wed 11/02/2011 23:00          You sir are insulting and rude!!!

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Sometimes you have to be

Sometimes you have to be direct.  Subtlety can be lost on someone as stupid as the DVD poster.

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You've completely lost me.

You've completely lost me.

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That is probably because you

That is probably because you are stupid, uneducated or probably both.

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huh?  wht do u mean?  pls

huh?  wht do u mean?  pls break it down 4 us who dont follow 

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FCO defines a "Caymanian" as

FCO defines a "Caymanian" as :

 

Supplementary memorandum submitted by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office

CAYMAN ISLANDS

Letter to the Parliamentary Relations and Devolution Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office from the Clerk of Committee, 22 May 2003

 

The Committee has asked me to write seeking clarification of one aspect of the Cayman Islands (Constitution) (Amendment) Order 2003, which I understand is to be presented to the Privy Council in mid-June.

 

The Committee notes that the Order as drafted contains a new definition of "Caymanian", which differs from both that in the existing Constitution and that in the March 2002 draft Constitution. The Committee wishes to receive an explanatory note setting out the reasons for the proposed change, providing a full list of the categories of people who will be disenfranchised or disqualified by the change, and describing its implications for British citizens and British overseas territories citizens who are resident in the Cayman Islands and who have Cayman status but who do not possess their citizenship by virtue of a connection with the Cayman Islands. For example, would a British Citizen residing and working in the Cayman Islands qualify to be registered as an elector?

 

The Committee would also find it helpful to receive interpretations of the terms "Caymanian status" and "connection with the Cayman Islands" as used in the draft Order.

 

I would be grateful for a response not later than 2 June, in order that the Committee may reconsider the draft Order at its meeting on 3 June.

 

Clerk of Committee
 

May 2003


 

 


 

Letter to the Clerk of Committee from the Parliamentary Relations and Devolution Department, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, 30 May 2003

Thank you for your letter of 22 May.
 

I enclose an annex which answers the Committee's specific questions (Annex A). It explains the new definition of "Caymanian" under the Cayman Islands (Constitution) (Amendment) Order 2003, and explains how this new definition—agreed by the FCO, and both the Caymanian Government and Opposition—will widen the franchise.
 

Parliamentary Relations and Devolution Department
 

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

 

May 2003

 

Annex A
 

CAYMAN ISLANDS (CONSTITUTION) (AMENDMENT) ORDER 2003 EXPLANATORY NOTE

1. The Foreign Affairs Committee asked for an explanatory note relating to the term "Caymanian" as used in the draft Cayman Islands (Constitution) (Amendment) Order 2003 (the draft Order').

 

DEFINITION OF "CAYMANIAN" FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DRAFT ORDER

2. Section 2 of the draft Order inserts into the Cayman Islands Constitution two new sections—sections 28A and 28B—to provide for the establishment and functions of an Electoral Boundary Commission. This Commission is to make recommendations on the establishment of seventeen electoral constituencies into which the Cayman Islands should be divided with a view to each such constituency returning one member to the Legislative Assembly. This work is a necessary preparatory step to the introduction of a new Constitution for the territory, which it is envisaged would provide for a Legislative Assembly composed of seventeen members elected from single-member constituencies.

 

3. New section 28B(2)(d)(i) requires the Electoral Boundary Commission to ensure (subject to certain other factors) that the seventeen electoral constituencies "shall contain, so far as is reasonably practicable, equal numbers of persons qualified to be registered as electors". New section 28B(3) defines for this purpose who is to be regarded as qualified to be registered as an elector. Section 28B(3)(a) includes within this definition any person entitled to be registered as an elector under the existing Constitution; the effect is that no-one will be disenfranchised. If a person does not fall within section 28B(3)(a), he or she must fulfil all of the conditions set out in section 28B(3)(b). One of these conditions is that the person must be a "Caymanian".

 

4. New section 28B(4)(b) defines for this purpose the term "Caymanian" as meaning "a person who possesses Caymanian status and British overseas territories citizenship or British citizenship by virtue of a connection with the Cayman Islands".


 

REASONS FOR THIS DEFINITION

5. This definition of "Caymanian" corresponds with that proposed for the new Cayman Islands Constitution (set out in section 102 of Schedule 2 to the draft Cayman Islands Constitution Order 2003 also sent to the Foreign Affairs Committee). Moreover, the definition in new section 28B(3) of who is to be regarded as qualified to be registered as an elector corresponds with the proposed qualifications of electors in the new Constitution (see section 73 of Schedule 2 to the draft Cayman Islands Constitution Order 2003). These provisions were agreed in December 2002 in discussions between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and elected representatives of both Government and Opposition in the Cayman Islands. This agreement reflected the concern of elected Cayman representatives to enlarge the franchise by comparison with both the existing Constitution and the March 2002 draft Constitution proposed by the Constitutional Review Commission. The provisions in question have attracted no adverse comment in the Cayman Islands, where they have been in the public domain since February.
 

6. In particular, the definition of "Caymanian" in the March 2002 draft was regarded as too restrictive: it omits a reference to British citizenship, it contains a domicile test, and it excludes persons with dual citizenship or persons pursuing another citizenship. As regards the franchise, section 25 of the existing Constitution (and the March 2002 draft) is also regarded as too restrictive: it omits a reference to British citizenship, it includes a domicile test, and it requires either birth in the territory (or a parent's or grandparent's birth there) plus two years' recent ordinary residence there or seven years' recent ordinary residence in the territory. The proposed franchise under the new Constitution, and reflected in new section 28B(3) of the draft Order, would—when read with the proposed definition of "Caymanian"—include a reference to British citizenship, eliminate the domicile test, and liberalise and simplify the residence test by requiring in all cases residence in the territory for a period or periods amounting to at least two years out of the preceding four years.


 

WHO WOULD BE DISENFRANCHISED BY THE CHANGE?

7. No-one. Any person who is entitled to be registered as an elector under section 25 of the present Constitution, at the date when the Electoral Boundary Commission is appointed, is to be regarded as qualified to be registered as an elector for the purposes of the Commission's work: see new section 28B(3)(a) of the draft Order. Similarly, by virtue of section 73(l)(a) of Schedule 2 to the draft Cayman Islands Constitution Order 2003, the proposed new Constitution would preserve the franchise for any person entitled to be registered as an elector on the day immediately preceding the date of commencement of the new Constitution.


 

WHO WOULD BE DISQUALIFIED BY THE CHANGE?

8. As noted above, the proposed change in the franchise removes some of the restrictions imposed by the present Constitution. The following categories of people would be disqualified, unless in any particular case a person qualified by virtue of being currently entitled to be registered as an elector:

persons who do not possess "Caymanian status" under Cayman Islands immigration legislation;

(a) persons who do not have British overseas territories citizenship or British citizenship by virtue of a connection with the Cayman Islands;

(b) persons under the age of eighteen;

(c) persons not resident in the Cayman Islands at the relevant date (ie: the date when the Boundary Commission is appointed, or, under the new Constitution, the date of registration);

(d) persons who have not been resident in the Cayman Islands for periods amounting to at least two years in the last four years before the relevant date;

(e) persons disqualified on grounds of having been sentenced for a serious offence, certified insane or otherwise adjudged of unsound mind, or disqualified by any local law relating to offences connected with elections.

(f) persons disqualified on grounds of having been sentenced for a serious offence, certified insane or otherwise adjudged of unsound mind, or disqualified by any local law relating to offences connected with elections.

 

9. As far as citizenship is concerned, under the present Constitution to qualify for the franchise a person must be a British overseas territories citizen by virtue of a connection with the Cayman Islands. This condition applies in addition to the requirement that a person must possess Caymanian status: see section 25(b)(i) and (iii) of the present Constitution. The definition of "Caymanian" in the draft Order (and in the proposed new Constitution) would produce the same effect, except that a person would qualify if he or she possessed Caymanian status and British citizenship by virtue of a connection with the Cayman Islands. This addition reflects the enactment of the British Overseas Territories Act 2002, under which persons may acquire British citizenship (as well as British overseas territories citizenship) by virtue of a connection with the Cayman Islands; and under the British Nationality Act 1981 such a person may renounce either or both citizenships.

 

10. The term "connection with the Cayman Islands" in this context refers to the various types of connection by which citizenship may be acquired under British nationality law. These are birth, adoption, descent, registration and naturalisation. So, for example, a British citizen residing and working in the Cayman Islands would qualify for registration as an elector (unless disqualified for some other reason) if he or she derived British citizenship from one or other of the above connections with the Cayman Islands, and provided he or she also possessed Caymanian status.


 

DEFINITION OF "CAYMANIAN STATUS"
11. The term "Caymanian status" is defined in section 50(1) of the present Constitution as meaning "Caymanian status as provided under the Caymanian Protection Law 1971 (as amended) or any law repealing and replacing such law". This definition applies for the purposes of the draft Order, because the term "Caymanian status" in new section 28B(4)(b) is contained within a provision which the draft Order will insert into the Constitution. In the proposed new Constitution, "Caymanian status" is defined to mean "Caymanian status as provided for under the Immigration Law (2001 Revision) or any law amending or replacing that law" (see section 102(1) of Schedule 2 to the draft Cayman Islands Constitution Order 2003). The new definition reflects the current position that Caymanian status is regulated by local immigration legislation, which replaced the 1971 Caymanian Protection Law. The legislation defines the circumstances in which Caymanian status (and thus the right of abode in the Cayman Islands) is acquired as of right, and the circumstances under which Caymanian status may be applied for, granted, and removed. Whilst most people who possess Caymanian status are British citizens and/or British overseas territories citizens, there are some who do not possess any form of British nationality. Such non-British Caymanian status-holders do not at present have the right to vote, nor would they acquire it under the changes proposed.


 

Local agreement to the draft order
 

12. The terms of the draft Order have been agreed by the elected Government and Opposition in the Cayman Islands, following its publication in the territory in February this year.


 

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

May 2003

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Why the thumbs down? The FCO

Why the thumbs down? The FCO reported in Paragraph 12 that the proposed Constitution was published to the country in February, 2003 giving the definition of a Caymanian to the people, in addition to the Leader and the Opposition agreeing, so what's the problem now if you didn't care to participate and have your piece known when you had a choice?  You don't have much of a choice now, because Status Grants were already in full approval mode to thousands from the same year!
 
Constitutional meetings were held in every district, and with the dismal turnout sometimes of less than SIX PEOPLE SHOWING UP, you give a thumbs down particularly when no one shows up to participate in the creation of new law that will DIRECTLY affect you? 
 
Then you complain at the thousands of Status Grants the same year?  And you don't think you'll soon be outnumbered and outranked in your own country???  WOW!
 
Then you feel bad to realise that if challenged, the new Constitution, FCO and England will back a Status holder to run for elections that has no born parent or grandparent?  Remember, Paragraph 10 clarifies that naturalisation is a legitimate ground to obtain Caymanian Status and be defined as a Caymanian, and people who choose to apply for Status who have been legally domiciled in the Cayman Islands for decades can pursue this option, even if they are not a descendant of a born-Caymanian.
 
You may soon be outranked BY LAW in your own country if you fail to participate and hold your elected officials to task, especially those who seem intent on giving away the farm.
 
Medical tourism, half a million dollar buy-in from foreigners with clout, power and might to get Status, and goodness knows what else our leaders are committing the Cayman Islands to that is being withheld from the general public.
 
I can only imagine what the Native American Indians are thinking about in hindsight after ALSO not paying attention to the original Europeans that came to America, and once news got a foreign and droves of other foreigners started coming in, Native Americans are pushed tightly to squat on reservation land while everyone else enjoys the ENTIRE BENEFITS OF THEIR LAND??!
 
CNS, KEEP THE PRESSURE ON GOVERNMENT. CAYMANIANS, WAKE UP...SPEAK UP...PAY ATTENTION BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOU. 
 

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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It takes

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It takes more qualifications, skills and experience to become a bank teller!!! That is hilarious!!! Next election we need to put an advert in the employment section seeking Politicians and put under "education" -must have a minimum of an elementary certificate. Cayman politics is a joke!

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Perhaps you could point us to

Perhaps you could point us to a Constitution that requires any academic qualifications for elected representatives.

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One should look at the 1987

One should look at the 1987 coup in Fiji.
The reason was because the government was perceived as dominated by the Indian community rather than the Fijians.
 

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Okay Lenard, I have your

Okay Lenard, I have your answer: based on the Cayman Islands Constitution, Cayman CAN HAVE a foreign-born person as the Premier and we CAN HAVE a foreign-born controlled Legislative Assembly, but you erroneously are referring to them as expats, which they are not because they have obtained their Caymanian Status and are now considered Caymanians.
 
Since this 'either/or' scenario is causing the confusion stirring this debate, I will begin my focus on the first of the two parts of Section 61(2) which defines who the Constitution considers to be qualified citizens who are eligible to run for elections in the Cayman Islands. The first part of this 'either/or' equation defines people who are British Overseas Territory citizens who:
(a) possess no OTHER CITIZENSHIP and who are not pursuing any OTHER CITIZENSHIP claim for which they may be eligible.
 
You should note that the term "OTHER CITIZENSHIP" is SPECIFICALLY explained in the Constitution to say that it DOES NOT include British citizenship that was acquired BY VIRTUE OF THE BOTA 2002, the British Overseas Territories Act, which basically states that if you were a British Overseas Territory citizen PRIOR TO 21 May, 2002, you were AUTOMATICALLY conferred full British citizenship with the right to apply for a passport, to join the British armed and police forces, to exercise rights under the United Kingdom's Human Rights Act and live and work freely in any of the dozens of countries that make up the European Union, basically you got the whole kit and caboodle. THAT VERY EXPLANATION MEANS THAT DUAL NATIONALS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE "POSSESS NO OTHER CITIZENSHIP" CRITERIA REFERENCED IN SECTION 61(2)(a), because to be a Status Holder pre-2002 means that you are born outside of Cayman!
 
However, British citizens visiting Overseas Territories are subject to the local immigration controls even if they would be considered expatriates, which is a bit off subject but still somewhat relevant, particularly if a People-Initiated Referendum with the required numbers of voters decided it was in the country's best interest to amend the Constitution in favour of clarifying and mandating that only BORN CAYMANIANS are eligible to run for elections.
 
Therefore, by definition of Section 61(2)(a) of how the Cayman Islands Constitution is written, a dual national Caymanian citizen who was born in Jamaica is eligible to run for elections.
 
Now, we will review the 5 eligibility criteria that is required to run for elections, which thankfully is not in that much dispute, because Section 61(1) is relatively easy and straight forward. We are told that the FIRST FOUR OF THE FIVE CRITERIA are mandatory ones, because each of them end with the word "AND", meaning that:
Number 1: you have to be a Caymanian, AND
Number 2: you have to be at least 21 years old, AND
Number 3: you have to be domiciled and resident in Cayman, AND
Number 4: you have to be a QUALIFIED CITIZEN. Okay, that was easy enough.
 
Number 5: EITHER
-you were born in Cayman, (or born outside of Cayman with at least one Cayman-born parent or grandparent, which the law specifically is drawing your attention to by defining it in Section 61(2)(b)) and have been domiciled and resident here in Cayman at least seven years immediately prior, and have not been off the island for more than 400 days,
 
OR
 
-you were born outside of Cayman with NO CAYMAN-BORN PARENT OR GRANDPARENT (because that requirement is absent from Section 61(1)(f)) and have been domiciled and resident for a minimum of 15 of the immediate 20 years.
 

Having said that, for an example, if in the year 2013, 11 years after the BOTA 2002 law came into effect, a dual national, Jamaican-born Caymanian with NO CAYMAN-BORN PARENT OR GRANDPARENT passed the 15-year residency and domicile time criteria out of the past 20 years, according to the law in Section 61(1)(f), they would be eligible to run for elections, and could become Premier of the Cayman Islands, based on how the current Constitution of the Cayman Islands is worded.

 

I know of no superseding law in the Cayman Islands, immigration or otherwise, that bars any entitlement or right from a Status Holder that a born Caymanian enjoys. I welcome comment and debate, because if a foreign-born Caymanian did declare their intent to run for elections and it was challenged in court, they would win based on how the law is currently written.

 

Now that we know that a foreign-born controlled parliament is possible in the Cayman Islands, it would be interesting if SOMEONE REQUESTS A FOI to determine:

1) what are the latest figures for documented people in the Cayman Islands,

2) what are the latest figures for documented Caymanians (including Status Holders) in the Cayman Islands, and

3) what are the latest figures for documented Caymanians (including Status Holders) residing abroad (those who Immigration has shown have exited the country since, say 2005, approximately 7 years prior to the 2013 election.

 

Can you imagine a scenario where the FOI returned information that we have a documented population of around, say 50,000 people, of whom say only 15,000 were current registered voters while, say another 15,000 were Status Holders but not interested in registering to vote? Okay, so you feel safe to not participate in holding your elected leaders accountable to you?

 

Well, how about imagining what impact that additional 15,000 voter block of Status Holders would have on a foreign-born controlled Legislative Assembly if they characteristically acted like other countries that took their voting clout seriously and exerted political pressure on our foreign-born elected government that THEY HELPED TO ELECT to write laws that benefitted them?

 

It's hard to imagine the tables being turned in your own country, but one thing to remember, Cayman...don't complain if you don't vote or participate in the Constitutional meetings! If you don't show up to be heard, the law will be written BY DEFAULT by the people who do!

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I think you need to clarify a

I think you need to clarify a couple of points before we go further into the mire here:
 
Please define "Caymanian".
 
Please define "expat".
 
For what it's worth: In my opinion it would be far better to have a sensible "expat" as our premiere than a locally grown buffoon.
 

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i think you need to clarify a...

so the places where "expats" come from are free of buffons?
I read / watch the world news & EVERY one of the more than 100 countries represented here (expats) have buffons as a matter of fact a vast majority of expats come from countries where their politics are filled with corruption that causes much hardship & suffering amongst their local population    expats should always be gratefull for the opportunities they have here in Cayman regardless of the politics & if not go back to where you came from

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I agree.  The UK should be

I agree.  The UK should be run by the German Chancellor and the US should be run by the Chinese Premier.

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Here Here!!!!!!!!

Here Here!!!!!!!!

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Whooaaaah Sah!!! **gulps**

Whooaaaah Sah!!!
**gulps**

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