Is it time to scrap legislation that bans music and dancing past midnight Saturday night?
Posted on Thu, 12/17/2009 - 22:53
Yes
63% (492 votes)
No, keep the law as it is
20% (158 votes)
No, but there should be a waiver for special events
16% (127 votes)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_call_(bar_term)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_call_(bar_term)
have a look at this link
might help us see that we are not that different when compared to other societies of comparable size
yes we are different to the large metropolitan areas, but then again I thought that was one of our selling points
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I don't see anything in there about drinking till sunrise on Sunday morning. Oh yeah by the way, I went to colledge in the UK, I love Techno Music, I am a retired DJ and Nightclub owner, and HA HA YES I AM CAYMANIAN.
Saturday vs. Sunday
What about Christians of Saturday worship?... I am not a SDA but a Sunday worshipper. What does this means for them? Ok...since we are going this far...what about supermarkets opening on Sunday's too? What is good for one is or has to be good for all....thoughts? We can't keep jumping to the other side when the heat gets too hot, although, this may seem like the best way to handle the situation...but not all situations.
It should be obvious by now
It should be obvious by now that the people who made and back this law don't care about what anyone else thinks or wants. This is GRAND CAYMAN and its not your island even if you are Caymanian. Get used to it. Or no more handouts even if it is your money.
This law is supported by the
This law is supported by the majority of the Caymanian people. The majority of Caymanians have a Christianity influenced upbringing and respect the sanctity of Sunday. If you are a true believer in democracy let the majority of the Caymanian people, not the people of Cayman exercise their right to run their affairs as they see fit. I support the current law and would recommend no change.
I thought free will was at
I thought free will was at the heart of the Christian ethos. If you take away free will by imposing moral standards are you not denying people the chance to exercis efree will to act in a Christian manner?
For some reasons the
For some reasons the fundamentalists never seem to want to answer this point.
If you want to talk about
If you want to talk about democracy, then I suggest you be careful how you phrase your sentences. A democratic society would be one where the law is changed and constructed in such a way that people have the RIGHT to CHOOSE what they want. They have the right to keep Sunday a religious day or the right to party until the early morning hours of Sunday. Devise the law so that people can decide what they want to do. That is democracy. I am a Christian, but I don't mind a good game of dominoes with some music until 3 a.m. on Sunday morning.
PS: Not all Caymanias are Christian. And this is an issue I notice even more now that I have been away in Miami for a few years in college. Many Caymanians love to push their religious views onto others and hide behind the cloak of Christianity. Opening up one's mind, increasing tolerance, and diminishing ignorance is the only thing that will allow this country to move forward in unity. If you are Christian, great. If your aren't, thats great too. It's a personal belief, and an entire country's residents should not be subjected to a law that is sustained on a Chrstian ethos.
I am a true beliver in
I am a true beliver in democracy and a true beliver in God which is why I belive that I shouldn't be able to tell you what to do and when because of what I belive and vice verse. Let the majority AND the minority do as they will when they will. Let the Majority run the lives of the people of Cayman? I belive in God because of my own experiance and choice not because of what any church group tells me. By the way God told me to belive in him and his son and beware of those empowered by a church.
Perhaps you should open a
Perhaps you should open a poll asking the people of Cayman if its time to Have the goverment do what the people of Cayman want instead of what one person wants for HIS island. Just a thought.
A bar on Cayman Brac was
A bar on Cayman Brac was opened until 1am Christmas morning. Has the law now changed?
Cayman Brac is strictly on
Cayman Brac is strictly on Central Time for the purposes of licensing laws and therefore there was no law broken.
Silly law. Doesn't help or
Silly law. Doesn't help or protect anyone.
One sided law
This is a one sided law. What happen to the other half of the Christians that go to church on Saturdays? The law was made for Sunday keepers only. If this law was base on Christianity, it would have been fair and the nightclubs and bars would close at midnight on Friday nights and all shops etc would close on Saturday.
where in christianity does it
where in christianity does it does say clubs should close at midnight?
So is your solution to have
So is your solution to have clubs etc close at midnight on Friday nights too or to remove the law as it stands for Saturday nights? I have heard the whole adventist argument before. it equates to 'if i can't have it my way then you can't have it yours either'. I would suggest that any Christian (and others) reading this post understand that whether we agree with Sunday or Saturday worship, the fact of the matter is, in Cayman we have a culture that includes shutting everything down on Saturday night. It has become part of the gospel. in other words, people groan and complain about it, and they say 'well this bar is open on Sunday and that other thing is open on Sunday', but you know what.. the mere fact that the law exists causes everyone to contemplate the reason, which causes them to come face to face with (at least the notion of) the gospel. As a Christian that is the most important thing to me, and should be to my Saturday worshipping brothers and sisters as well.
Besides that point, we in Cayman now refuse to get off of this follow-the-leader track that we are on. We keep following others and we keep reaping negative rewards for it. People are coming from overseas, falling in love with the country, deciding that they want to spend the rest of their lives here, and then immediately start advocating for everything to change! makes no sense. Caymanians, are being weak and led around by their own moral decline. The end result ... all of the crime and other negative activities that we are seeing in the country today.
We are going to all have a really great time when we can party till 5am on a Sunday and there's noone to do it because half of us are dead and the other half are all on planes going elsewhere. I am sure there will be a big thumbs down and backlash but i am used to that now, truth usually meets that response. Stand up righteous people.
Oh btw MERRY CHRISTMAS, may the celebration of the birth of the Lord give you who are weary, lost, and in pain - rest, a home and comfort.
So you are saying that by
So you are saying that by having sunday as a day of trade, crime is going to increase here in grand cayman? Just wondering where you get your statistics from that all.
Actually what I would like to
Actually what I would like to do is be able to take my bi-sexual dreadlocked friend home from a gay bar down the street at 3am on a Sunday morning and let him have his unmarried way with me. Think you can handle that?
How about this. You live your life, I'll live mine.
There really is nothing wrong with Christianity in general, just people like you who seem to want to constantly try to shove your own ideals down the throats of others.
I will rest peacefully, will you?
Happy Festivus!
RIGHT ON!!!
RIGHT ON!!!
If this is a true democracy
If this is a true democracy then there needs to be a law that states all churches must close their doors at a certain time on Sundays and there will be no praying or celebrating after a certain hour. Unless your the Premeir of course. Or his friends. Or your one of the many on Cayman that have no respect for the LAWS.
Is it Godwin yet
to compare such legislation to Taliban rule in Afghanistan?
A public announcement from some respected authority figure about keeping it down a notch in residential areas for Christmas Eve should suffice in a civilized society.
It's way past time this silly
It's way past time this silly law was removed from the books. It serves no sensible purpose.
I think it's actually progess
I think it's actually progess that is causing us to change. You don't really find any country that seriously expects to advance do so by being firm on ancient rules. It isn't the government's job to force familys to spend time together by shutting down everything, it's up to the family to make the effort.
Caymanians have been saying for years this needs to change... lt's make it happen.
"This country has a history
"This country has a history and culture", that's stretching it a bit isn't it?
This country does have a
This country does have a history and culture. It's simply is not as defined as others partially because Cayman is so young.
This country continues to
This country continues to have a history that other countries will in the future point to and say lets not do that! Name change...Grand Incompetence!
As a country Cayman still can not do what the people of the island want. And anything that is done in the name of the people is always screwed up. How do you fix something if no one can agree if its broken?
I agree with the poster @
I agree with the poster @ 15:00. There should be time set aside for reverance. But we are talking about Saturday night/very very early Sunday. There is no plausible reason to turn off the lights and stop the dancing at shortly after midnight if people are having a good time. Unfortunately, much of orthordox Christianity is based on not what the Lord would wish to see, but on twisted ideas of what others interpret the Lord wants for us. A lot of this is based on original sin, and the overwhelming guilt it creates. And that my friend has been exploited in a great many ways by a group of tired old men long past the point of enjoying themselves or feeling joy. I will continue to dance when the spirit moves me and if that happens to run past twelve o'clock that will be between the Lord and myself. And it is no one else's business certainly not the churches when I take time out to give thanks.
Let's all live so God can use us. And God may want some of us to dance.
respect
This country has a history
This country has a history and culture based in Christianity; those who cannot respect that and do not like it should leave. I don't see Caymanians going to the US or other countires and campaigning against all the freedoms they have over there just because we don't agree with a lot of things those freedoms afford or against their chosen national religion.
Greed is causing us to sell out and change everything that is unique about this country, changing the Sunday law will be another thing we change to suit everyone who comes to live here (I am not saying there aren't Caymanians who want the law changed, but they need to look at why and what purpose it will serve). So there's one day of the week that music and dancing is not allowed, DEAL WITH IT....let's also close the bars on Sunday too because it is mind-boggling to me these are allowed to be opened. Lets have one day when families spend time together and not chasing the almighty dollar even if they choose not to go to church.
Are you seriously that
Are you seriously that retarded? No, you don't see Caymanians going to the US to campaign aganist their freedoms....because THEY ARE FREE! Most of the US laws have been created/ ammended so that people have the freedom to do what they wish (within reason). They can express themselves freely in many diferent ways. In Cayman, with everything closing down at 12 on a Saturday, you are not giving freedom to those who do not observe Sunday as a holy day. I am Christian, but I am also tolerant and open minded. Not everyone residing in these islands is Christian, and the laws need to reflect that. There must be a separation between state and religion or else we won't get far. It doesn't help that so many Caymanians are ignorant and not well travelled. The world is not made up of two places (Cayman and Miami)! Travel around...experience different cultures and they way people live, and we could learn a lot. And maybe not all be so damn ignorant.
- A Concerned Caymanian
"This country has a history
"This country has a history and culture based in Christianity; those who cannot respect that and do not like it should leave"
Hmmm, this means a large number of young Caymanians would be leaving too. In my observation, a majority of young Caymanians who go oversees for private school, college, uni return with their own thoughts and views and many are not consistent with your views and other more traditional Caymanians- not saying it is right or wrong- it just is.
Throw in a diverse population of expatriates, most of whom are adult age, and of course there will be changes to norms and behaviours. It has been part of the evolution of the cultures of nations in the EU, US, Canada, Australia, and so on. and who invited these expat employees- Caymanian business owners and investors- many of whom have become very wealthy and also enjoy a more liberal lifestyle and culture.
Your comments about Caymanians going to the US and not lobbying to 'change' the culture and norms is weak... because the USA is already a very diverse representation of cultures, where people can find which ever way of life they want to live and follow it, and people do. It is a giant melting pot. If you want to stay out all night and party you will find the clubs/pubs/bars that allow this. If you prefer to not have SUnday openings, and live that way, you can find communities that offer that. The fact is, people have choice.
Closing early isn't going to prohibit the husband from sleeping around and then showing up in church on Sunday with his family. That is a myth.
As the population of young Caymanians increases and strengthens, there will likely be referendums, and the island will continue to evolve. As the old adage says, the only thing for certain is change.
Tourists will appreciate having choice as that is what their countries offer and that is what they are used to. Many humour us when told about the law, while some embrace it. Others choose to never return. I don't think in the current economic climate of Cayman, can we afford to be selective in who visits the island an that we only want to attract persons who respect early Saturday closings and Sunday shops closing. The past 10 years does not show Cayman outperforming our Caribbean counterparts in occupancy increases, so I would be willing to try something new. Open a couple of casinos too.
enough rambling for now...
DEAL WITH IT!? Like your
DEAL WITH IT!? Like your DEALING WITH CRIME? Like your DEALING WITH all the children born out of wedlock wo parents who cannot take care of themselves? Or maybe how you are DEALING WITH better education? Bigger schools, Corruption in Goverment? Does that boggle your mind? I don't think your culture based on Christianity is comeing across as a good thing to the rest of the world. Just my humble opinion so please do as you will. No dealing necessay.
and you dont think that
and you dont think that maybe, just maybe, things like revoking the Sunday law and some of the other things we have done to betray that Christian heritage have led to the ills that you are pointing out? It is very convenient in this post and others to take the tact that is being taken. But you know what, we keep wanting to do what other countries have done, and they are seeing a decimation of the family unit because of it.. now we are seeing the beginnings of that also, why? because if we continue to follow the rest of the world in these kinds of decisions, then all of the consequences that they face will be faced here too... so why don't we do something different and not do what they have done? We are walking headstrong into a trap, as usual.
If all the people that cannot
If all the people that cannot respect a culture based on Christianity did what you said and left...... there would not be many Caymanains left on Cayman.
I don't have any family. I
I don't have any family. I don't believe in "god". So what am I meant to do on Sundays other than the odd pagan animal sacrifice?
Well, based on the evidence
Well, based on the evidence that you exist, I would suggest that God believes in you. And please, I love rosemary on my sacrifices, it makes the smell just great. Believe it or not, it can get kind of lonely up here being God. I think you are all really cool, but please don't hurt each other because that is not what I intended.
Anyway, Merry Christmas to all and if you need me, I am just a prayer away.
Firstly, I feel sorry for you
Firstly, I feel sorry for you in many ways and hope that someday you will blessed with these things that are a part of the vast majority of people's lives in this community.
Secondly, I hope that you're not assuming that the law will be changed to accomodate the minority? In democratic society the majority rules. "When in Rome do as the Romans do..."
Finally, I think the majority of sensible people would agree that the best way to deal with this question is via referendum. Let the people decide so that this can be settled.
the 'when in rome' cliche
the 'when in rome' cliche always comes out when you have lost an argument....
what about when in nazi gemrany lets do what what the nazi's do??
what about when in 1980's south africa, lets do what what the south africans do???
wake up and live in the 21st century!
You have just pointed out two
You have just pointed out two instances wherein the thing that was done was the will of the MINORITY not the majority. If Germany had done what the majority wanted to do, and if South Africa had done what the majority wanted to do there would have been no holocaust and no apartheid. The will of the minority was thrusted onto the majority and the majority was coorced/forced to go along with it. Therefore, you have just given in your examples, the strongest argument for why when in Rome you should do as the Romans do".
So slavery in the South was
So slavery in the South was OK in your book? Slaughtering Christians for fun was OK too (which is what the Romans did do in Rome)? And a big hand for those democratically elected Taliban, they had the votes so had the right to legislate fundamentalism . . .
Or...
Or you stay home, knit a stocking and have a nice glass of warm milk and let other people live their lives the way they want to...
It ain't the expats driving a lot of this - its our YOUNG CAYMANIANS - and since some of us raised them so well to want this, I guess we juss reapin' what we sow...
And here I thought
And here I thought Christianity was based on tolerance and respect. Or am I thinking of Non Caymanian Christianity? If what Cayman has become is in part because it is a Culture based on Christianity you need to try something else. Its not working.
HInt: Jesus was not into makeing laws.
cayman christianity is based
cayman christianity is based on hypocrisy not tolerence and respect
discrimination
The law discriminates against non-christians and others.
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