Invitation to the Premier and the labor panel to face the nation on the job crisis the victims - Caymanians only!
Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:44
I think that most of us who call the talk shows and make comments on the news media sites have all been going around the issues and going around in circles where the job situation of our people are concerned. Let's face it, things are serious, and the work permit revenue reliance is simply out of control. The revenue is benefiting government and not Caymanians. We have not side tackled government on this issue and its time to do so. This is an open invitation to the Premier, Mr. Bush and the Minister for Labor Mr. Rolston Anglin and Mr.Mario Ebanks, Director of Labor to discuss what their plans are to put the work permit granting bad habit to an end, and create new revenue streams for our people.
It makes no sense for government to get comfortable because people are simply not satisfied with the way thins are going for Caymanians. We are being discriinated against, and Apartheid has reached our shores while everyone is in denial. We are aware that there are alternatives, the budget proved there are many alternatives that do not require direct taxation.
How will Caymanians have a chance to survive and succeed under the current system or excessive work permit grants? We are inviting premier to come on air and tell us what is governments plan to get rid of granting thousands of work permits so the thousands of unemployed Caymanians can get permanent positions; not just in construction but also in the fiscal areas. As CEO,S MANAGERS, SUPERVISORS, ETC.
Our people are qualified to train foreigners, therefore they must be even more qualified to hold those positions that are filled by work permit holders.We are being made fools of with the help of government. Please ask government just how much longer do they expect our people to tolerate this injustice. THIS IS AN INVITATION TO THE PREMIER AND HIS LABOR PANEL
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Why is our government
Why is our government forcing the private sector to source Caymanian labour when they themselves are found guilty of hiring ex-pats. These ex-pat civil servants are paid comparatively the same as the private sector; with government providing no relevant training to Caymanians for succession planning and ultimate replacement. Some of these ex-pat civil servants even get fast-tracked into residency and Caymanian status. So who is to blame in all this game???
Companies and individuals are
Companies and individuals are free to hire who they want. The laws are clear as to whom can be hired and the conditions. When the people on both sides of the quation get enough they will know exactly how to take care of the issue.
The voters?
The voters?
Why don't the complainers
Why don't the complainers stop moaning and just get a job? There are plenty of jobs available. The only long term unemployed in Cayman either do not want to work or are genuinely unemployable.
I totally agree complainers
I totally agree complainers should stop moaning and just get a job that they are qualified for. Here is how you do it folks if there is a job that you are qualified for and it is proven that you can do that job better than the expat holding the position bring it to the attention of the immigration department and if nothing is done take it to your MLA . Still no reply take it to the FCO still no justification take it to the local press,still no job take it to the streets, still nothing take it international.
The time has come for Native Caymanians to stop being so passive as it will get you no where speak up, it's the only way to create change. Don't let anyone come into your country and displace you because at the end of the day you have no where to go but Beloved Isle Cayman. There is a song that goes something along the line "get up stand up stand up for your rights". The time has come "Native Caymanians" to stand up!
"We cannot solve our problems
"We cannot solve our problems using the same thinking we used when we created them" Albert Einstein. Inviteing your "honorable" premeir and his yes men to prove once again they are not qualified for the job is still meaningless if you and the rest of the Caymanian people will not hold them and yourselves accountable. It is however what we (the non Caymanians) have learned to expect. In other words, Try something new. Please.
One reason Cayman's economy
One reason Cayman's economy is doing so badly is that the discriminatory laws make it hard to provide the best workforce and can make recruitment a long process based on chance. My organisation will only hire the best candidate for a job, regardless of their nationality. If there is a problem with hiring the best candidate because a weaker candidate wants to us to hire them for reasons other than ability we simply do not hire. I have pulled the plug on various positions locally because we receive an application from somone who may consider themselves "suitably qualified" and who I simply could not tell HQ is up to the standards I would want to hire consistent with the standards I expect. I owe duties to my organisation's owners to do what is best for the business and I will never let a petty piece of local protectionism to harm the reputation of the business. And yes, we have hired Caymanians, and some of them have been promoted, but only those that were the best applicant and a good enough applicant got the job in the first place.
Good business sense will
Good business sense will always be at odds against Caymanian intitlement sense. Understand that without the skills AND work ethic it is the only way they can hope to get the job. Caymans job invironment is self limiting because of this. As you are a business that plans accourdingly you will be successful when others fail.
Learn to spell, you bigot.
Learn to spell, you bigot.
Christ! I've just read this
Christ! I've just read this bunch of posts as I've been off island. I am no expat lover or hater and i am proud of my Caymanian heritage but I had no idea we had so many Caymanians of the sort of limited intellect that would post some of this stuff.
This is the worst sort of
This is the worst sort of Caymanian - one who believes he/she needs to seek the approval of expats by saying things against Caymanians to show they are 'different'. How exactly does Caymanians giving an account of the way they are discriminated against in the workplace and describing how expat so-called experts are not in fact experts when they arrive show "limited intellect"? Does high intellect mean that you must pretend that these things don't exist? You sir/madam, are an idiot of the highest order. Total loss of identity.
All evidence to the contrary.
All evidence to the contrary.
No-one is pretending these
No-one is pretending these things don't exist. They are confirming that they don't exist. The flimsy, self-pitying, conspiracy theory BS posted below shows that there is absolutely no evidence to support the discrimination allegations.
There was no evidence in the
There was no evidence in the Bahamas either of discrimination but they did what they had to do,its sad but there are some people who think they can get away with anything and then blame the natives but your history is well known Worldwide.
Are you American or Southafrican by the way?time longer than rope,soon run out of Countries to destroy.
The Bahamas!!! it would be
The Bahamas!!! it would be good to do some honest research and you would realise that the same play book is being used here in Cayman. American are not the problems in Cayman there are so few of them here. I have worked with and for Americans since 1980 and they were some of the best people. BVI is another financial jurisdiction but if anything it's more like Bermuda. So I believe the last place is Cayman and that too shall pass sometime in November 2012 or May 2013 as I understand it a new change is coming.
Logically, as an expat or
Logically, as an expat or indeed as an individual Caymanian you obviously cannot confirm that discrimination does not exist anywhere against Caymanians. The most you can say is that you have not experienced or observed it. But every honest, sensible Caymanian knows that there is discrimination. There isn't any question about it.
The posts explain how it operates. It was a real eye opener - unless you are wilfully blind that is.
I have read the posts on this
I have read the posts on this viewpoint. What I saw what some quite extreme and unpleasant allegations made against expats, and when asked for examples, the people making those accusations said they could not come up with any. I have seen discrimination - discrmination in favor of Caymanians, where because our laws require discrimination regardless of talent or merit.
That's nonsense. Obviously no
That's nonsense. Obviously no one is going to name someone else's individual case on here without their permission. How discrimination works against Caymanians has been described in some detail. Caymanians are well aware of the issues in any event.
The truth is the rabid ad hominem responses from expats show the posters touched a nerve.
Our laws are constantly flouted with respect to employment of Caymanians so there is no point trying to argue how they require discrimination. Some employers will tell you plainly that you should not bother applying for a job advertised in the newspaper because it is "only for work permit" purposes, i.e. they already have the expat they wish to employ on a temporary permit and the ad was not a sincere attempt to solicit suitable Caymanian applicants with a view to employing any of them, but simply to fulfil the legal requirement to advertise. And please don't make the ridiculous request that I name such an employer or applicant. We all know that is simply to provide cover because it is not a reasonable request.
maybe CNS should add a "straw
maybe CNS should add a "straw man agruement" button, this hits the STraw MAn nail on the head
What is an agruement?
What is an agruement?
A typo. Move on.
A typo. Move on.
i.e. 'an expat typo. Move
i.e. 'an expat typo. Move on'.
If it were a Caymanian typo it would be clear evidence of our failed public education system and proof that we are not qualified to hold the jobs that expats hold.
Let me introduce you to a new
Let me introduce you to a new friend, the comma. He is only little, but he is so, so useful.
How silly. Clearly you
How silly. Clearly you understood the post but are now trying to deflect.
More Rooster-style Caymunian
More Rooster-style Caymunian self pity.
This article begs the
This article begs the question what alternative revenue stream is the writer suggesting? Income tax perhaps? Increased import duties?
And there is your answer...
I guess from your spelling we can now see that not all Caymanians are qualified.
Mac and his government may be
Mac and his government may be bad but it does not justify crassly stupid viewponts/ comments like this. Moving right along to the real world..................
Martha, git the shotgun,
Martha, git the shotgun, thar's a rev-o-lution comin dis way!
Seriously though - the locals are training the expats? As a practicing expat lawyer I don't recall that training. I recall the training from the resident London solicitors and from the IT folks (Canadians I recall) as to the systems, but I don't recall any locals were training me (okay, one taught me about the numbers racket, but I don't think you're talking about that).
All that aside, I think it's important to remember that there are two kinds of jobs: those that require professional qualifications, and those that don't. I agree that it's unconscionable to have garbagemen, burger-flippers, laundry people, waiters, shoe shiners, janitors, and every other sort of job that doesn't require qualifications being given to work permit holders while there is a Caymanian ready willing and able to fill that position who is going without work. Perhaps the author of this viewpoint can describe their qualifications and report where they have applied for work for which they have suitable qualifications and had been refused.
As to Caymanian with professional qualifications, I don't know that there's a lot of Caymanian doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses, hedge fund managers, brain surgeons, etc., wandering around complaining about unemployment. As far as I can see, all of the really smart Caymanian professionals seem to be very well employed (and it's gratifying to see that there are so many of them).
So what's your story?
Long live the islands
Long live the islands of Bermuda and Barbados. May the islands of BVI and Anguilla follow the foot steps of these two great leaders.
As you well know there are
As you well know there are expat lawyers who come to these Islands not knowing anything about the area of law in which they are to practice. Yet they are touted as experts in these areas and the Caymanians are expected to train them. Ins some cases the work is actually done for them while the expat takes credit. When they make errors this is covered up by their expat bosses. There are some really smart Caymanian professionals who are deemed to be 'troublemakers' because they are willing to stand up for themselves and are therefore blacklisted by expat employers.
The writer is correct: apartheid has come to Cayman. XXXX
As you well know that we all
As you well know that we all know that you only wish we all knew when we know nothing of the sort. We do well know that apartheid came to Cayman the moment you started to elect fools as leaders and then tell us that we should well know they are not.
What?
What?
I agree that the fools in
I agree that the fools in power have allowed you to get away with apartheid.
About as close to reality as
About as close to reality as a John Grisham novel.
That means it has convinced
That means it has convinced the majority of Americans.
The vast majority of
The vast majority of Americans do not think of you at all and do not care about your petty public relations problems.
I bet this poster never gets
I bet this poster never gets sarcasm.
but he's nonetheless correct
but he's nonetheless correct
Um, I think that was meant to
Um, I think that was meant to be a joke about americans loving John Grisham novels but .... hey, ho....
I am an America,n and I love
I am an America,n and I love John Grisham novels, but I did not run to Cayman to put money into the banks here just because I read about money laundering in a John Grisham novel.
Romney, on the other hand, knew exactly what he was doing with respect to EVADING taxes which is a different category than avoiding taxes.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!
Yeah. That is why we feature
Yeah. That is why we feature so much in Obama's campaign speeches first in 2008 and now against Romney.
Cayman is an imaginary place
Cayman is an imaginary place to most Americans. There are plenty who know it and like it but they are a tiny minority.
No expat lawyers are brought
No expat lawyers are brought here for their speciality and then "trained" by Caymanians. You need to lighten up on that weed you smoking.
From an expat who is labelled a "troublemaker" for standing up for themselves and her colleagues, regardless of their nationality.
Your 2nd sentence is a
Your 2nd sentence is a contradiction in terms. Expat standing up for Caymanian colleagues. That will be the day.
no contradictions, you will
no contradictions, you will find that expats are not supporting you, not due to your nationality, but due the your attitude and the fact you have an inherent hatred to those not born in Cayman
You are making a lot of
You are making a lot of personal statements about someone you don't know.
If you asked my Caymanian
If you asked my Caymanian colleagues I think you'll find I am not lying!
Oh yes, all that overseas
Oh yes, all that overseas expertise gained on the registered land law and strata titles and exempted companies prior to coming here. I have personally trained expat "specialists" in these areas. Caymanian applicants are dismissed out of hand.
So you trained expats on
So you trained expats on exempted companies. This section of our minuscule Companies law must span a mere few pages and you taught them all they knew. Well when I arrived a few years back my boss gave me the law and said read that. After an hour or two I asked for more. I imagine a lawyer, local or otherwise would have done it in half the time but there again I am just a lowly bookkeeper.
As to the land laws I am sure they are pretty complex after all land was registered in the early seventies, thereby making transfers so much easier.
Anyway keep up the good work.
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