Woman dies in ETH crash
Posted on Tue, 10/16/2012 - 07:31 in Local News
(CNS): Update 1:25pm -- The Esterley Tibbetts Highway is now open for traffic. Part of the road was closed this morning following a crash in which a woman died. Police say a man was arrested following the crash. About 6:07am a Nissan box truck, which was traveling towards George Town, and a Hyundai van, which was travelling towards West Bay, collided on the ETH, close to the AL Thomson roundabout. Police say the female driver of the Hyundai died at the scene. The male driver of the truck was not injured and has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by careless driving and suspicion of DUI.
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I don't let any of my family
I don't let any of my family drive on that section of road between 7pm and 7am.
Two words: Central
Two words: Central reservation.
Tip for the police they
Tip for the police they should park on the side of the road behind Baptist Church they would make a killing. Every morning the same thing people driving on the right hand side of the road cutting people off. Almost witnessed at least three head on collisions this morning. Can't believe how inconsiderate and reckless people are when driving on that stretch of road.
Why people overtake when they
Why people overtake when they can't see ahead of them really beats me. My cousin was coming out of her road and all of a sudden there was a car in front of us heading straight for us. The car had overtook a truck and we couldn't see the car and the car couldn't see us. Luckily, she was able to drive off to the side of the road. She said that she almost got hit by a truck in that same location doing the same thing overtaking. People need to slow down.
You have obviously not
You have obviously not driven in Jamaica where thre rule is.."If you can't see it, it's not there."
It is a sad situation for
It is a sad situation for both parties involved. any my heart goes out to the family who lost their love ones. I pray for all drivers on the road because at anytime we can cost of loose our lifes.
While I do not know all the
While I do not know all the facts in this particular case, I would like to make the following comments:
Too often this road is used as a race track by some drivers
Many drivers do not know how to properly use a roundabout. I think when major changes to the roads are introduced, like the roundabout system we now have, Govt should make drivers re-sit the driving exam. I know for certain that would bring in some $$ and hopefully ensure drivers are more educated on how to use the roads correctly.
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My sincere condolences to
My sincere condolences to this lady's family and friends. My heart goes out to them for yet another senseless and tragic loss due to negligent indigent thoughtless and incompetent drivers on our roads.
The biggest problem we have here is not so much our roads but the incompetent drivers on our roads due to incompetent officers at the Vehicle Licensing Department who administer the written and driving tests. As a previous poster said it is all too common to see people taking the written test multiple times in one day which is insane. These fails should result in the driver having to return in no less than 6 months to resit the test.
The other problem we have is that punishment here for offensive driving such as excessive speeding, passing in no-passing zones and the middle lanes, drunk driving, careless and wreckless driving have far too lenient punishments. Drunk driving should have an automatic 5-year suspension of your license and and a $5,000.00 fine plus forfeiture of your vehicle. PERIOD. If you injure or kill someone under the influence of drugs or alcohol it should be an automatic life sentence without parole. If you are caught speeding in excess of 15 miles per hour over the limit your license should be automatically suspended for a year and a $1,000.00 fine imposed. Every infraction thereafter should have the sentence upped by 1 year and another $1,000.00 fine so for example the second time you are caught speeding more than 15 miles per hour over the limit it would result in a two year suspension of the licence and a $2,000.00 fine. This would be a giant step towards saving lives and also eliminate needless court processing and wasting of court time and funds. It would also be a revenue generator for the government.
In the meantime the West Bay Road needs a speed limit reduction to 30MPH and speed bumps in the middle lane to reduce the ability to pass. Cameras on all our most dangerous stretches of roads would also photograph career speeders who could be apprehended and punished as above. I promise you these suggestions would not cost a whole lot and would help save lives and increase revenue for the government. If you cant pay your fines then its an extra year in jail. We need deterrants and we need punsihments that fit the crimes here. Our laws and punishments need to reflect a ZERO tolerance approach on all sorts of crime if we are to reduce or end such tragedies.
I consider myself to be a
I consider myself to be a courteous driver. I try very hard to obey all of the rules of the road, and to drive at a safe speed.
However, four years ago I received my first ticket, I was 43 at the time, returning from a Bible study at First Baptist heading towards George Town on South Sound Road. I admit I was thinking about what Thabiti said, and not particularly watching my speed. It was not peak traffic time, and the road was deserted. I got a $100 ticket, my first and hopefully last. No one was ever in danger for my driving 45 mph on that stretch of road.
Under your assessment I should have received a $1000 ticket, and lost my license for a year.
Condolences to all the family
Condolences to all the family especially our Inspector who lost her loved one despite the fact that she has been championing the charge against drunk, speeding & dangerous driving.........so so sad. Too many deaths on this piece of road. A median/partition would be great but I hope they put in another two lanes with a partition so that we can have traffic flowing in one direction. Hopefully this will be done when the Dump situation is addressed. It could save many lives.
I believe that the truck was
I believe that the truck was overtaking. Why would the truck be on the right side of the road if he was coming to GT?
condolences to the family of
condolences to the family of the victim.
Condolences to the family
Condolences to the family for their huge lost. My heart and prayers go out to you during this terrific event. I would like to provide some input regarding the ETH. If I'm not mistaken, the original plan for ETH was for two separate, two lane carriageways traveling in opposing directions. If that is need true, placing a median on the current road will not work for obvious reasons.
I shall make a FOI request to the NRA to enquire about the specifics plans for the road and make my finding available to CNS.
Condolence to the family of
Condolence to the family of the victim . and may the victim rest in peace .roads don't kill people so no matter what design you have as long as you have carless driving and speed you will have this.i can say speed because i saw the vehicles.accidents will happen at the best of times and to the best of drivers it's the speed and sudden impact that will make the big difference.
This is very sad.....the type
This is very sad.....the type of news I don't want to see!!!
Sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends.
Only a matter of time that
Only a matter of time that one of the speeding marl trucks will smash someone in their way on this same road....Police reading this...?
All heavy goods trucks should have speed governors to overcome the speed of greed as drivers rush to complete round trips, oblivious to any other road user.
The Commissioner MUST put the
The Commissioner MUST put the Traffic Department back in place.
God be with all involved.
God be with all involved.
I think the standard of
I think the standard of driving here is so bad that the speed limit should be 25 mph everywhere. In GT or on the side roads it's a nuisance having to hit the brakes because of some idiot who is bored with giving way or decides to turn left from the middle of the road without indicating. At 40mph+ that kind of stupidity is lethal.
dropping the speed limit is
dropping the speed limit is not going to change anything, the speeders and idiots are still going to be out there doing their stupid shit, maybe we could use a bit of help from the LOCAL POLICE!!! i see this kind of incompetant driving all day every day and yes have seen it happen many times right in front of police but not once have i seen a police turn around or even hit the lights to let these drivers know this is unexceptable!!!
22;01 The police are not
22;01
The police are not going to assist with the dumb ass speeders. it's a thing called bligh, its amongst every nationality on the island, they turn a blind eye should one of theirs are doing wrong.
Police have been on these Islands since God knows when, do we get a slow down in speeders and reckless driving , no! so your police are the last ones to depend on.
Install speed cameras, they have no sense of race, culture or nationality. they cannot turn off their eyes, or their flash.
Given the terrible speed the
Given the terrible speed the trucks go through Bodden Town to get as many loads of fill per day as they can to the roadworks on the ET highway, I am surprised there has not been a serious accident there. No police ever to be seen but plenty police cars at the BT station
In all honesty. This is a
In all honesty. This is a classic example of the government's inability to solve the most basic problem. Just put up a speed camera. Simple. It would pay for itself through fines and make these maniacs think twice before speeding round that bend (probably on the wrong side of the road).
Speeding is only one of the
Speeding is only one of the many traffic infractions that need regular routine enforcement by a traffic dept: failure to indicate, running red lights, running crosswalks "while they are flashing", overtaking stopped school buses, failing to pull over for emergency vehicles, illegal window and license tint , headlights, driving position, going the wrong way, reckless driving, basic roadworthiness, expired coupons, no insurance, no license...the list goes on and on.
12;09 I have to agree with
12;09
I have to agree with you 100% we need to imediatly install speed camras, they will bring in more revenue that the government really needs. The cops cant be on spot all the time, the cameras will never fail to catch these idiots. cameras do not sleep or slumber.
The ETH is Caymans "Spring
The ETH is Caymans "Spring Garden Highway", beautiful highway but dangerous as some people take it as a speedway!
Spring Garden Highway is a highway in Barbados and when it 1st opened, there were many accidents and deaths as people tried to take advantage of a beautiful asphalt highway and speed.
There was the famous Calypso, "Spring Garden ah comin", well sadly we will have to soon do a Calypso, "Esterley Tibbetts ah comin" unless the Police put a stop to the careless drivers!
Cameras do not cure bad human
Cameras do not cure bad human decision-making, all they do is record the activity when and if they are working. I don't think they would have added anything here.
Cameras would help catch the
Cameras would help catch the culprits and remove the jack ass from our roads.it works every where else.
This is simpley done, the camera takes your license plate number while speeding, and the police mail you the bill.
You have no choice but to pay or you lose your license. Saw it done on the motor way from Devon to London...a friend was driving her brothers car, he ended up having to pay, the car was registered in his name. Also witness cameras in small town area.
Great way to collect revenue. England made so much money, 8 years ago, the people were complaining to shut down the cameras.... human behavior of course, they didnt want to stop the speeding.
Believe it or not, it takes
Believe it or not, it takes many days for our Police to use a licence plate number to find someone.
Speed camera's are dumb and
Speed camera's are dumb and don't solve bad driving, a median in the road causes issues for emergency vehicles, especially single lane roads. The road should be a safe one, it has long sight lines, large run-offs on the side of the road, lighting, it does have that stupid entrance to the condo's half way down but apart from that it's not a bad road, yet it still claims a disproportionate number of lives.
I think you will find all the accidents have been caused by one thing, bad driving, can you correct that by redesign of the road or a speed camera, I doubt it..
For a speed camera to work you need a current and accurate database of number plates and drivers in order to serve the notice or ticket to, I'm going out on a limb here and going to say we have neither.
13;06 You are right , they
13;06
You are right , they don't solve bad driving , but they got more sense that humans, they take your license plate number which ties to the registration which leads to the driver.
This would have given the police the opportunity to remove the jack ass from further driving and speeding on our roads.
If it offends you, pluck it out.... remove them!
That would be nice, but there
That would be nice, but there is no such system here. Plate records are kept with DVDL and are not sync'ed with RCIPS roadside equipment. RCIPS would have to go through channels to request an address and name from DVDL, and this can take days. Welcome to Cayman!
I wish the reporting was
I wish the reporting was clearer. The report says that the Easterly Tibbetts Highway was closed between the Bank of Butterfield Roundabout to the Caymana Bay Roundabout. Yet it appears as if they are actually talking about the road closing from the Roundabout near AL Thompson to the Caymana Bay rounabout. Please note that there is a Bank of Butterfield in Governors Square and there is none by the AL Thompsons rounabout. What makes it the Bank of Butterfield roundabout?
Now that we have starightened that mess out!!!
There is nothing that is wrong with that road save the attitude towards driving there. However unless you can find away to change the attitude then you may need to consider middle dividers. Note that this does not appear to have anything to do with the appartment complex along that strech of road.
Seriously before you make any
Seriously before you make any comments of any sort do some research. That is indeed butterfield round about because it is mentained and sponsored by Butterfield Bank. But what relevance does this have to do with anything? A woman's life was lost RIP to her and hope her family is comforted in their time of grief. People need to slow down and take their time Cayman is SMALL where are you rushing to go?
Have you never seen the sign
Have you never seen the sign at that roundabout???? Yep, that'll be the one that tells you it's upkeep and maintenance is sponsored by Butterfield. Ergo, it is well known as the Butterfield Roundabout. LMAO!!!!
Roundabout names are derived
Roundabout names are derived from the sponsorship of the maintenance of the roundabout, hence Butterfield Roundabout. It has nothing to do with the proximity of a business location or this terrible event. Condolenses to the family on your loss.
Too many people have died on
Too many people have died on this stretch of road. It needs to have a median divider / central reservation like the newer stretches of the by-pass. A worthwhile expense to save lives.
Why isn't there a median on
Why isn't there a median on this road? Is it because the government doesn't have any money to pay for one? If so, maybe it's time for us to form an organization to raise funds to build one. I, for one, would be happy to do whatever it takes to raise the money to make this happen - before more people die!
Is there an engineering reason why there is no median, or is it just lack of funds?
Perhaps Uncle Dart could
Perhaps Uncle Dart could build it for us?
Why the thumbs down?
Why the thumbs down?
23;31 Why the thumb down,
23;31
Why the thumb down, you don't understand, these are the same people blaming the elected gov for everything that bad happens here, of course they not going to agree there is no funds, when at the same time they blame the elected gov, for spending too much money. they have to put politics in everthing.
They call people like these, hypocrites.
The road is innocent. 100%
The road is innocent. 100% of accidents on ETH have been result of operator error/impairment, including the many that have impacted the median dividers on the upper by-pass, or plowed through the illogical "Pedestrian Refuges" that used to dot the West Bay Road. The bottom line is that people are expected to drive sober. Period.
Have you ever hear of the
Have you ever hear of the inherent limitations of human information processing? This is a "first-principles" approach to accident investigation because it draws on knowledge of basic human psychological processes.Instead of looking at the driver from the outside, try to understand his/her mental processing and how it interacts with the environment. Humans must rely on three fallible mental functions: perception, attention and memory. People driving down a highway are bombarded with a steady flow of information. Most of the information is visual input, the road itself, other vehicles, pedestrians, signs, the passing scenery, etc. Moreover, the driver may be processing other information sources such as auditory input (listening to the radio, talking on a cell phone, carrying on a conversation with another passenger), or internal input (remembering directions or planning what to make for dinner).
If the visual information flow is low, there may be enough mental resource to carry on all tasks simultaneously. But attentional demands may exceed supply when:
There may not be enough mental resource for all tasks. The driver then "attends" only a subset of the available information, which is used to make decisions and to respond. All other information, goes unnoticed or slips from memory.
Roads design should aim to prevent (serious) crashes, and where this is not
possible, to eliminate the risk of severe injury as much as possible. This approach seeks to prevent
human error, and in doing so, mitigate the consequences by designing the traffic systems
accordingly
Apparently the money is
Apparently the money is better spent on private driveways in the Brac.
13;48 We dont expect any
13;48
We dont expect any different of you sentiments, look at you handle. "Politics"You had to bring this BS up again, dont you ever give it a rest. you must go to sleep, and wake with this lady on your mind.
Do you have a solution for the idiots that speed on our roads.?or you just dont care, too busy critisising.
12:07 I agree with you, this
12:07 I agree with you, this stretch of road is extreemely dangerous and has taken many lives. I think the goverment need to seriously make some decisions about changes. It is a death trap.
TO THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE
TO THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR ROADS
The report is that this piece of road is a 'DEATH TRAP" how many more lives
will be lost before you fix this critical problem?
How many more parking lots will be paved before you fix this problem?
Is parking lots more important than fixint this road?
Come on now, donot let the blood of the innocent be left on your hands.
He that knoweth to do good and doeth it not to him or her it is SIN!
James 4:17
Agreed. (I am not sure why
Agreed. (I am not sure why people are selecting thumbs down). Many people do accelerate trying to beat the other driver as two lanes converge into one.
As for the bypass, in Canada, most cities have photo radar cameras mounted, and the plate owners are sent a ticket, together with a photo and the speed they were caught. This would END speeding and passing on that road permanently.
12;04 You got 12 speedrs
12;04
You got 12 speedrs that disagree with your cameras. This is why we will always have idiots on our roads. these 12 is enough to kill equal or more in numbers.
Cameras are 'recording
Cameras are 'recording devices' and a deterrant at best. They have little impact on the decision-making process in the human mind.
EDUCATION on the other hand, has a profound impact on us all.
Cameras, Lane-deviders and Lower Speed limits are 'Band-aid' remedies for this problem, Proper driver EDUCATION is the best solution and cure.
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