No let up from Cayman ministers over gay cruise
Posted on Fri, 01/08/2010 - 10:31 in Local News
(CNS): Church representatives are showing no signs of softening in their attitude towards gay tourism and remain opposed to the scheduled visit of Atlantis Gay Cruise Lines later this month carrying more than 3000 passengers. Pastor Bob Thompson, the chair of the Cayman Ministers Association, has said that the organisation had raised its objections to the ship calling to Cayman with the premier. On each occasion that a ship carrying passengers from the gay community has docked in Cayman the association has objected, and the minister said the position had not changed.
“The CMA does not support the permission for a gay cruise to come to our shores. Our motto is he hath founded it upon the seas’ and believe that should still direct our decisions,” he said when he spoke to News 27 yesterday about the ship due to come to Cayman on 21 January.
In the past, the ministers have staged demonstrations against the gay cruise lines including Cayman on their itinerary, making controversial headlines around the world. Cayman has found itself facing criticisms from gay and human rights organisations about the position the local church takes towards gay visitors.
Homosexuality between two consenting adults has been legal in Cayman since 2000. However, CMA and others still object to any kind of overt displays of affection between same sex couples. In May 2008 a 23 year old Massachusetts man was arrested at Royal Palms for kissing his partner on the dance floor. Aaron Chandler, 23, from Amherst, Massachusetts, had two altercations with a local who kept asking them to stop what they were doing before the police were called. As an activist in the gay community, the story spread quickly around the world and the Director of Tourism at the time, Pilar Bush, wrote to Chandler apologizing for what happened to him, an action which then drew considerable criticism locally.
During the country’s negotiations with the UK over the new constitution and the inclusion of a bill of rights the issue of gay rights dominated the discussions and the fundamental opposition to giving gay people any further rights and introducing any possible step towards same sex legal unions resulted in a watered down bill for all in order to get the whole constitution passed.
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XXX Homophobia = Irrational
XXX
Homophobia = Irrational fear of homosexuality typical of those harboring secret gay desires
Re these preachers, "He doth protest too much, me thinks, constantly drawing attention to his secret obsession."
are you stupid or
are you stupid or something....you MUST clearly be...god loves us because he made us BUT he does not love the life style we live..ie. Homosexuality. In the beginning God made what...Adam and Eve not Adam and steve so clearly he doesn't LIKE that but it doesn't mean he does not still love us...I can't believe how ignorant people can be in cayman..Lets get up to date its 2010, so what just because everyone around the world is doing it we have follow them like sheeps, i guess if everyone in the world decided to jump off cliffs and the ministers were trying to stop it, you would still have stupid people on this complaining and being ignorant...
God help us all because it clearly shows that we need it.
Wanda Sykes gay??!! and I
Wanda Sykes gay??!! and I didn't know that...she seemed so normal...my..my..my..oh lawd!! she seemed so "normal" I wouldn't have known.....I have to smile...I see sunday school has taught us well, we haven't moved beyond our last sunday school teacher, I see "my God", "my Jesus" my...friend in all matters" being mentioned...I've never seen more quotes about religion/beliefs in CNS than when it comes to gays.
Many posts are positive, even at the cost of being repetitive, but why so many posts regarding religion?
The murders/robberies recently in Cayman don't elicit nothing near religiousness that this gay thread is doing. Think a little bit, go somewhere and meditate, quiet the mind. Does this say something to us?
Haven't gays (and this is a modern interpretation(there has always been homoeroticism..human nature) and gayism (pun intended) is like a slide ruler, there is no defining where same-sex attractiveness begins and where it ends, that is what makes us humans...we are the only species that don't have sex solely to procreate...we have consciousness, that's why we think so much and create mechanisms to control that..i.e. cultural/societal rules to govern ourselves.
Most of us in the western world swallow the societal norms and tow the line, burying desires under the blanket of societal norms...a very few of us are 100% happy, marrying because of pressures, etc. However, some of us do find a very compatible spouse who turns out to be our very best friend and remain married for 25, 35, 35 and beyond years, that is very special and I applaud that. Really.
Then there are those that don't make it through according to societal standards. Infedility, fed-up, tired, abuse (mental mostly) i.e. control issues, controling, selfishness, narrow-mindedness, jealousy (i.e.control issues), vanity, money, or lack of, step-parents, vindictiveness, pettiness, other issues that you can contribute readily contribute to drive us to destructiveness and separation.
I am not a negative person, really, but life wants to turn me that way. But I fight it, like many of us, I try to remain positive and keep my chin up.
Children are the future. Raise them right. Please!
The next 20 years many of our prejudices will be erased.
Gays are people just like me and you, they are good people who have suffered and have insight into many of societal prejudices..that's why they make good friends, good people. Befriend a gay today,like Jesus would do...they have been through the fire of rejection, the fire of accepting themselves, the cauldron of being themselves if they have the courage to, it is a spiritual journey for them as it is for the rest of us....ahhh. this journey, no, this battle called life.
For what is this thing called life but a battle for spiritual advancement?
I hesitate to quote the bible, but it does have wisdom..
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this time are not worthy to be compared with the glory to come, that shall be revealed in us." - Romans 8:18
"It is through suffering that you will gain a measure of perfection." - Our Lady, September 28, 1974
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world John 16:33
“My peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” (John 14:27).
My friends, be as God intended, may you find your spiritual path and develop. Peace to ALL.
We are all here on this earth a very short span, let's enjoy and love one another. By hating we hold ourselves back. What is hardest to accept lets tackle it and understand it with compassion. OR AT LEAST TRY, God is a spark in all of us that we can kindle.
He hath founded it on the
He hath founded it on the seas? what does he mean by 'our' motto? i think he should read 'hello sailor', a history of the tradition of gay life at sea, or 'on the seas' if you like...
Here's a review from Amazon....
"When gays had to be closeted, ships were the only places where homosexual men could not only be out but also camp. And on some liners to the sun and the New World, queens and butches had a ball. They sashayed and minced their way across the world's oceans. Never before has the story been told of the masses. These are the thousands of queer seafarers, mainly stewards, who sometimes even outnumbered the straight men in the catering departments of ships that were household names and the pride of the fleet. Hello Sailor! uniquely shows what it was like to be queer at sea at a time when land meant straightness. "
Way to go pastor Bob. !!
It is outrageous that these
It is outrageous that these idiots (ministers) are still allowed to behave this way. Consider this. 'he hath founded it upon the seas'... OK, so does that nean there are no gay sailors then, as in 'ooo, hello sailor?' Or would these bigoted facists turn away a gay paramedic, or a homosexual fireman? Studies show that banking and the police are statistically the most 'gay-friendly' employers... probably no 'homos' here then.! This behaviour by these supposed leaders is appalling, and I think, illegal. (please please please 'bare' with me, read on)
Definitions of seditious acts from the penal code:-
Section 57 (subsection 1d) says 'to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the inhabitants of the islands'
Section 57, (subsection 1e) of the Penal code says that 'an intention to promote ill-will or hostility between different classes of the population of the islands' (The penal code defines 'public' or 'population' as 'all person in the islands...')
'different classes?' That's written IN LAW? WOW!
Section 58 subsection 1 ('god' bless it) says:
Whoever-
a) does or attempts to do, or makes any preparation to do any act with a seditious intention;
b) utters any seditious words;
..is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine of one thousand dollars AND to imprisonment for FIVE YEARS and any seditious matter shall be forfeited to the Crown.
BUT IT GETS BETTER....
Given the shocking display of appalling bigotry that accompanied the last 'gay cruise ship' visit, consider how this next section might have applied, or even how it may apply when the next 'pink' ship visits....
Section 68 (1) says:
When three or more persons assemble with intent to commit an offence or, being assembled with intent to carry out some common purpose, conduct themsleves in such a manner as to cause persons in the neighbourhood reasonably to fear that the persons so assembled will commit a breach of the peace, or will by such assembly needlessly and without reasonable occasion provoke other persons to commit a breach of the peace, they are an unlawful assembly.
subsection (20) says:
It is immaterial that the original assembly was lawful if, being assembled, they conduct themselves with a common purpose in such a manner as aforesaid.
When an unlawful assembly involves a breach of the peace or terror to the public, it becomes a riot....
The punishment for an unlawful assembly is imprisonment for one year (Section 69 amusingly) and the punishment for being involved in a riot is two years imprisonment (Section 70)..
VERY INTERESTINGLY, Section 76 says:-
All persons are guilty of an offence who, being riotously assembled unlawfully and with force prevent hinder or obstruct the loading or unloading or the sailing or navigation of ANY ship, hovercraft or aircraft...
Section 88 (b) says:-
Whoever-
'with intent to alarm any person, ... commits any other breach of the peace'
is guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for THREE YEARS, or if the offence is committed at night, to imprisonment for FIVE YEARS.
Where was ONE anti-homophobic arrest when the last 'gay' cruise ship visited Grand Cayman (interestingly both officers involved have since been removed from the force) and local police stood by while the arresting officers fought with the suspect who was aggressive and resistant...
So premeeer Bush, did you're trip around the world say 'bring your business to Cayman, so long as you're not a poof?'
The behaviour of the ministers is outrageous and illegal, DO NOT endorse it.! Mr Baines, I challenge you to ensure the Law is enforced on the next occasion, WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR!! My advice? Care, Listen, and Act!!
Ha! Ha! Fallen Angel, I
Ha! Ha! Fallen Angel, I couldn't agree with you more! I'm going to crack open an Amstel Light right now.
XXXXXXXX Go on Nicky, post
XXXXXXXX
Go on Nicky, post this!
CNS: Ummm....no. But I had my own private chuckle.Thanks!
Bean Bag, you came in late -
Bean Bag, you came in late - I'm already nursing a humongous hangover.
Peace, everybody! God is Love. He said, 'Love your neighbor.'
He also said, 'Love your enemies.'
Perhaps because they are one and the same?
'God is great,
'God is great,
beer is good.....
and people are crazy!'
pam pam pa pa pam....
What scare me about these
What scare me about these religious folks are them wanting to make and enforce "religious laws" for ALL CAYMANIANS, claiming that all in Cayman are "Christians" - hence, everyone must comply with these laws...
I think the problem is the
I think the problem is the attempt to enforce spiritual rules in a secular world. Oil and water, both necessary, but the two just do not mix - and people wonder why there is so much backlash. I have a pastor who gives the admonishment - "You are so Heavenly bound that you are no earthly good" We will get to Heaven in God's time but for now we have to live and be productive in the world.
Not oil and water, Frank.
Not oil and water, Frank. Light in a world of darkness. In the longer term the darkness wants to snuff out the light. As an intermdiate step the darkness wants us to hide our light so that we can have no impact upon the darkness. We must therefore be silenced on social issues. We on the other hand want to increase the light.
The problem with your
The problem with your position is that you believe that you have a monopoly on defining light and dark and having defined them, that your morality, based on these definitions, is absolutely correct.
I simply do not accept this. I do not share your definitions of light and dark, nor do I share your code of morality. Neither of us is right nor wrong, although I suspect one difference between us is that while I accept this, you are ideologically incapable of doing so.
I do not question your right to have an opinion on social issues and to promote your moral code. This is a positive position in my book. But unfortunately your argument crosses over into negative territory when you tell others that their moral code is wrong and their lifestyle choices unacceptable. Where you say " We on the other hand want to increase the light, " I see only a perpetuation of darkness which has existed through human history, the imposition of one person's belief system and moral code on another.
I am not pro-gay, anti-Christian or amoral. I am simply pro-choice when it comes to humans freely following a lifestyle which is in accordance with the man made laws of the society within which they live.
O'Really, I appreciate your
O'Really, I appreciate your courteous response but we'll just have to agree to disagree. You believe in moral relativism, but I do not. Woe is me if I fail to bear witness to the truth. Christ has brought that light. It stands to reason that you will only see a perpetuation of darkness if you are not in the light.
Gospel of John
"Life was in Him, and that life was the light of men. That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it. There was a man named John who was sent from God. He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but he came to testify about the light. The true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world…This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
As an aside O'Really, somone
As an aside O'Really, somone I work with is convinced that you are me. Can you please confirm to them that you are not me, just to settle the issue. Thanks!
I feel your pain at being
I feel your pain at being mistaken for me, but I am definitely not you as I would have put an "e" in "someone"! The real O'Really.
What is right: Seeing, Love,
What is right: Seeing, Love, and Understanding
What is wrong: Not seeing, Self-centeredness, and Ignorance
But does right/wrong has anything to do with BELIEF?
How can it when belief has to do with the mind? You can believe in anything?!
Cryptic!
Cryptic!
Hey, revelation! Bob must be
Hey, revelation! Bob must be gay too because he cant make children.......make you wonder, no?
CAYMAN GET OVER YOURSELF
CAYMAN GET OVER YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is 2010 The rest of the world is up to date you are leaving yourself behind.
Hahahaha lmao lol case
Hahahaha lmao lol case close!
Dear Cayman Islands Ministers
Dear Cayman Islands Ministers Association,
We humbly praise and applaud your stance against the abominations on ships that would attack your country. Although we worship within different faiths, we do acknowledge that we serve the same God, blessed be his name. Our God, the God of Abraham, the same God revered by the people of the Book, knows your actions. He is proud of your stand against those wretched souls who dare love eachother.
Even as we struggle in jihad against imperialistic enemies, we take this time to say that we are with you in spirit. You, the Cayman Ministers Association, are true men of God. We look up to you. You make us proud and you inspire us to fight on and believe in the coming of a better day on Earth when God will have his way.
We stand as brothers with the Cayman Ministers Association. We could not agree with you more. We must follow God's word and reject those who are not like us. Everything the Cayman Ministers Association stands for, we stand for. Our theological differences are small compared to all that we agree on.
Peace be upon you all. May Allah continue to bless you in your fight against gay inavders.
Sincerely and in Great God's service,
The Taliban
(Afghanistan)
Thank you for your reverred
Thank you for your reverred support. We have already studied your book and are training our stingrays as suicide bombers in case these heathen same sex lovers enter our waters.
Allah be with you.
CMA.
I would like to know what God
I would like to know what God you are worshiping? It's surely not our God! For God is a God of love and not hate! Please study your history before you pass judgement unto others!
Typical rose tinted
Typical rose tinted Christianity
Read your old testament - your loving god kills crazy numbers of kids
Even the loving Jesus advocated beating slaves
Try reading the whole bible, not just the bits that suit you
It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
www.evilbible.com
For God is a God of love and
For God is a God of love and not hate!
Maybe let your CMA know that then , LOL
as for history, read this and then pass judgment (know your history to avoid repeating abuses)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
"Aah, now come on my
"Aah, now come on my Caymanian people leave the gays alone, for they bring so much joy and excitement to the party lol."
We all have choices in this life and the choice we all choose will follow us. I'm hetrosexual and I don't hate nor discriminate, for everyone of us deserves to be happy in our own way!
So to all the gays you keep doing your thing, and avoid all the negativity around you. Love makes the world go around and gays make it more merrier lol. Spread the love and stop the hate! Learn to appreciate more people.
What ev er happened to
What ev er happened to believing there will come a judgement day and you will one day meet your maker??? Well guess what Cayman Ministers get over yourselves your not it....
I can't believe this is
I can't believe this is happening again! Because gays are so much fun to be around, I can assure you, there will be some heterosexuals aboard this ship. Who knows, maybe Rosie O'Donnell, Wanda Sykes, or Ellen DeGeneres will be on board.
I think it is a mistake to try to ban this ship from docking. With the unemployment rates in the U.S. many people are not vacationing. The Christmas purchases was mainly by foreigners. That's right! On the local news here in the U.S., they interviewed people from China, Canada, Europe, Philippines....everyone were taking advantage of the sales....they also filmed some of the foreigners at the airport with loads of goods where they said they came just for the shopping. Had it not been for these shoppers, of course, all stores would have reported disappointing sales.
I grew up with the belief that it was wrong and strong dislike of gays, all due to my christian upbringing. I had to learn on my own this was wrong. I have a couple of gay cousins, and I have a few male gay friends - and believe me, I wouldn't trade these guys for anything in the world. I can always count on them for almost anything. I am female, and I have had better friendships with gay men, than I've ever had with females. What can I say, women friendship has a lot of ups and downs - jealousy, arguements that turn into grudges, sleeping with friends boyfriends....
actually, Ellen deGeneres and
actually, Ellen deGeneres and her wife were on Island over X-mas! Guess the church had not noticed and they slipped through the cracks!
"Slipped through the
"Slipped through the cracks"...
Now THAT cracks me up!!!
Is there an active trade in
Is there an active trade in gays now? Might want to pick up a few for my collection...
Consenting adults, twenty
Consenting adults, twenty first century vs dark ages, yada, yada, it's all been said millions of times.
But what's wrong with their money? Has the exchange rate between Gay Dollars and ConformingToCurrentCulturalExpectationsInTheirSexLifeOrAtLeastPubliclyPretendingToBe Dollars dropped lately or something?
Creeps like this keep me away from organised religion.
The Cayman Islands Ministers
The Cayman Islands Ministers Association (CIMA) is trying to speak for all Christians and this is wrong. They don't represent me, for one. Why aren't they speaking out against the drug dealers, users, prostitutes, adulterers,etc., who sit in their pews every Sunday? Is it because they give money when the ubiquitous offering plate is passed? Hypocrites! Leave the tourists alone. Especially cruise ship tourists; they are here for just a few hours. With the state of Cayman's economy, maybe they will spend a few dollars with the locals. Who knows, maybe a few of those dollars will end up as "tithes and offerings" in the local offering plates on Sunday. Will this money then be returned as "tainted" by sin? Makes you wonder.....
Reminds me of other island
Reminds me of other island leaders. They speak for everyone and represent a choosen few. Why aren't they speaking out against the goverment waste, non performers, no responsibility, and incompetence in their ranks? Is it because these same people gave them their very lucritive lifestyle?
Sounds like they worship at the same altar. O wait ... they do!
As scary as the pastors are,
As scary as the pastors are, think about what sort of people look up to them, follow them, and hang on every word they say. That is truly terrifying.
I heard one Cayman pastor call in on the radio today and calmly explain that groups such as gays can only grow if they recruit.
Oh vey...
Another victim of self-lobotimization called in to say that gays clearly choose to be gay. He "knows it for a fact."
Mmmmm.....
Seriously folks, does Cayman have a school system? What in the hell happened to these people? Can we help them? Unna go ahead and laugh but these people need immediate intervention by professionals.
A word to those who claim
A word to those who claim they are Christians: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Do you love your neighbour? Probably you don't whether your neighbour is gay or not, so take the plank out of your own eye so you can see more clearly to remove the spec of dust in other's eyes, as Jesus says all this to do. Remember he gave the 2 New Commandments, to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, body and spirit, and to love your neighbour and in so doing you will keep all the other Commandments by keeping these New 2 he gave. So, remember that what you input here needs to be input in the spirit of God's True Love for everyone, if it is not spoken with true love from your heart, then be careful you have brought judgment on your own self, for Jesus says, whatever measure of judgment you use against anyone, will be used against you. Fear God. He who has no sin cast the first stone, remember, they all had to put their stones down and walk away, cause there is none without sin, all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, that is why we need the Saviour, Jesus, the only one who can save us from our sins. What would Jesus do with the gay cruisers??? He would preach to them and show them their sin and error, but he would do it in his perfect manner of love for them in his spirit of Mercy and Grace. Remember the song, :Thy lovingkindness is better than life." Remember his loving kindness and his love for all people, it is not his will that any should perish, but that alll would come to salvation in Him. Not that all will, but he wishes all would, but he gives all free-will to choose whether we want eternal life in Glory, or eternal torture in the burning lake of sulfur. This we all have to choose for ourselves individually, no one can choose for anyone or make anyone choose what they don't want to choose.
Remember Christians, we are the hands and feet and lips of Jesus here on Earth. Please remember Jesus before you rise up against the gay cruisers, it's not about yourself, it's about Jesus. What would Jesus do???
Can anyone say whether the
Can anyone say whether the UDP changed the PPM's policy, which was announced by Mr. Clifford back in 2006.
At that time Mr. Clifford said that the Cayman Islands would not discriminate against any of its visitors or residents on the basis of their religion, race, sexual orientation etc.
Can someone enlighten me please.....cuz McKeeva said he was against this PPM policy and that he was "born again".....Hmmmmmm...........
This thread has drawn so much
This thread has drawn so much attention it makes me wonder if there is anyone on these islands that dont have some form of gay tendency. Those in favour of the gay life style is certainly being allowed to have their say, yet very little is being posted from the anti-gays.
The same seems to be reflected in the poll so could my theory be right??
FACT: A significant majority
FACT: A significant majority of posters and voters condemn homophobia especially when incited by pastors twisting and distorting Christianity.
CONCLUSION A:
As suggested by Anonymous above, the vast majority of posters have "a gay tendency".
CONCLUSION B:
As suggested by Wanda, the vast majority of posters think bigotry is wrong and the CMA are out of order.
Forgive me for stopping my post here, I need to go back into my closet.
Come, come, now Wanda. Come
Come, come, now Wanda. Come out of your closet - the truth shall set you free.
So your saying that if your
So your saying that if your not against Gay people than you must be a "little gay? Which means if you not against straight people you must be a "little straight?If your a man and not against women than? Boy are you messed up. Are you currently in prison? Another reason to add to the obvious that internet access should not be given to those in prison. Ever! Anywhere!
I share the cell next to you
I share the cell next to you idiot. Thats why you get put in jail, so that you can learn about homosexuality.
Thats not me in the cell next
Thats not me in the cell next to you but keep dreaming. And thanks for proving my point.
I'm a Tri-Sexual, I'll try
I'm a Tri-Sexual, I'll try anything once. You never know until you do. You might just like it.
Well well here we go again
Well well here we go again with the Pastors Association and hate filled words and talking hyprocrisy now isn't that funny. They call themselves children of God and practice not what they preach. Remember a gay person is a person and has emotional feelings just like you and I so don't go ranting about them as if they are wild animals. Let's look at crime, rape, drug, domestic abuse and over development as our main areas of concern and not what 2 people choose to do in their privacy. I see it that there's a bar and a church on every corner in Cayman and seems like the Pastors are in it for the money. I say start reaching out to the community become more involve and think that what if your child is gay now how would you feel knowing that they were discriminated against.
Those of you who accuse the
Those of you who accuse the Pastos Association of hypocrisy for standing up and defending the christian heritage of this country simply do not get it; would'nt it be more hypocritical for them to pretend to welcome these people here knowing that they do not agree with or encourage their lifestyle?
Too funny. With everything
Too funny. With everything else that is going on THAT is what they should stand up for? Perhaps they should focus on aiding the needy, helping to set up some sort of after school programs to keep yout off the streets or provide supervise homework for children whose parents either don't care or can't because of their work schedule. Why focus all of their attention towards something that lasts a couple of hours a couple of times a year???
Yes, it is hypocritical, and if I read one more time about the Christian heritage I am going to gag. This is the only place where this is continously rammed down once throat whenever it suits.
Despite what all of you
Despite what all of you bloggers are argueing about. The truth can be found in the true book, the BIBLE in 1st Corinthians Ch. 5 thru 10. The good LORD will be the judge of all men. Please do not condemn our Pastors, they are just the Messengers. Condemn those of you who are guilty of the acts and please do accept the fact that the acts are all wrong.