Mac ‘double-dips’ in pension

(CNS): Information revealed by the Public Service Pension Board shows that the premier is doubling-dipping by taking his pension entitlement on top of his monthly salary as the country’s leader. McKeeva Bush has served more than 20 years as an elected official and is entitled to a pension based on two thirds of his pay  at the time he opted to draw down on that pension. Bush began taking his in January 2010 when he turned 55 but before his self imposed 10% reduction in his own premier's pay packet. At the time he was earning over $14,800pcm meaning that Bush could be receiving almost $10,000 in pension payments as well as his regular pay cheque. However, the premier could have opted to take a lump sum as he is entitled to do under the terms of the MLAs’ pension.

According to the formula and rules that govern politicians' pension entitlements,, those who have a fully vested pension can opt to take an up-front lump sum of up to 20% of the monthly entitlement multiplied by 20 years when they begin taking their pensions. In other words, the premier could have reduced his monthly payments by 20% in exchange for a cash sum of around a half million dollars.

The document released by the PSPB following an FOI request made by CNS last year did not reveal if the premier had taken the lump sum, reducing his monthly payments to under $8,000, but just the date he began drawing down and the years he has served in the country’s parliament.

All former and serving MLAs can take their pensions when they reach the age of 55 provided they have completed one full term in office. The longer the member has served, the more money they can receive -- up to a full amount of two thirds of their salaries at the time of opting to take the pension.

A member who has completed one term can take one fifth of the two thirds, two terms two fifths and so on up to a member who has served twenty years, as is the case with the premier, who can then access a fully vested pension.

The request, which asked the PSPB to list the current and former MLAs who were drawing on their pensions and how long they had served in the Legislative Assembly, also shows that Kurt Tibbetts and Anthony Eden, as already publicly acknowledged, are also double-dipping on their pension entitlements, despite not being fully vested.

However, Captain Eugene Ebanks, who passed his 55th birthday and is also entitled to draw on his pension, has not yet opted to do so. Nor has Ezzard Miller, the independent MLA for North Side, who was the first MLA to raise the question on the floor of the Legislative Assembly. Miller said he thought it was “immoral” for serving members to draw a pay check and a pension and termed it “double dipping”, before announcing he intended to bring a motion to stop members from doing it in future.

Tibbetts and Eden, who were both elected to the Legislative Assembly in 1992, began taking their pensions in 2009 after serving four terms and are therefore entitled to four fifths of the two third rate of their respective salaries at the time. This means that Tibbetts will be receiving around $7,600 per month and his PPM colleague Eden about $6,900 on top of their current MLA salaries of approximately $9,000pcm.

The details of the pension payments to politicians past and present was finally released on Wednesday afternoon at around 4pm, five weeks after the information commissioner had ruled that the information was not exempt, as the board had claimed.

Despite not applying for judicial review following the commissioner’s decision, the PSPB held onto the information, as reported by CNS on Tuesday. However, the story appears to have prompted the board to finally release the list, which is posted below. 

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Yet another step towards the

Yet another step towards the toilet Cayman!
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Is Eugene Ebanks doubling

Is Eugene Ebanks doubling Dipping too? That will be a shame, as he don't do anything, as an elected official. He is just there to vote "yes" for everything.

CNS: Captain Eugene is not on the list of past and present MLAs collecting pensions.

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Mr. Ezzard Miller please let

Mr. Ezzard Miller please let us know if you were reigning at the time they voted for themselves to receive pension after serving 2 terms. I believe you were. Please confirm, so that we can clear the air once and for all about this pension war. I doubt very much it was McKeva's idea only..
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CNS can you please

CNS can you please investigate who the James Bodden is that served from 1988-2005 - It's definately not James Manoah Bodden - and incase there is an error in his time of service. Can you find out who his pension is being paid to. Can you also investigate why Mr.Haig Bodden is not mentioned. And why Ms. FeFe is not getting a pension from him Thanks.
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Big Mac took a 3% salary cut

Big Mac took a 3% salary cut for a 2/3 increase, not bad financial planning at all!!!
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How Bias can Human be- Both

How Bias can Human be- Both Kurt Tibbetts and Anthony Eden are collecting pension while Representing us- Obviously they all agreed - Why crucify McKeva only????. What is you point here? Personal issues don't get us any where, that is why the country is not any better. You focus too much on the person (personal) and not the position. This to happen from the time they voted for themselves and passed the law the representatives serving 2 terms would be eligable to collect pension. Funny- funny- people get real and deal.
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Everytime I read this article

Everytime I read this article over it makes me more and more angry because I know the struggles my mother faces as the pensions board continually declines to award her a monthly payment! I am her only child with my own three children so this slack falls back on me! My mother is now forced to take up domestic work to assist herself and I must say whilst retired this is not the way I pictured my mother spending her days!!! Words cannot express how appaulled I am, and if McKeeva Bush had a "christian heart" he would be the first to look into this matter! The laws only change or get bended when an MLA cannot have their way around it. I will not stand back and have pensions officials declare the words "permanent and pensionable" to me or my mother again! Something has to be done and I will make certain after this instance that it gets done!!!!!! Shame on you worthless MLA's to live in the lap of luxury whilst your countries people and elderly struggle to keep head above water!!!
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Someone has to sit Mr

Someone has to sit Mr Fill--Land-Throw-Pist down & say look here: Mr Bush,Bushy,Mac,Jack,whatever. You are the problem with Cayman's economy & it has taken year's for this to get to this point. Additionally because of you we the Caymanian people will have all future politician's on probation for.... 4 year's,if you corn swabble at all within that time your politicing is over. We the Caymanian people cannot & will not become the beggar's in our own country,bar none,while other's reap the benefit of our hospitality. No politician should expect to jet set around under the guise of Mou's & the like while the Caymanian people suffer the playful gamble of a politician. Mr Bush,Bushy,Mac,Jack,whatever,there is now a surplus of what we understand to be 40 million dollars since the recent increase in fees,but there is no reduction in fees! Mr Bush,Bushy,Mac,Jack,whatever,when preaching & talking is done 'in the abundance of water the fool is thirsty'.

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I agree with McKeeva being

I agree with McKeeva being chastised for this by us the voting public but lets give Kurt and Tony Eden their licks too. Just because they were smart enough to admit this before the FOI request was honoured don't make what they are doing right. They are no different than McKeeva. All 3 of them are doing exactly the same thing its just that two of them admitted it and the other one, McKeeva, had to be forced via an FOI request to admit it. I say out with McKeeva, Kurt and Tony ! When you take your pensions it tells us that its time for the 3 of you to go home !!! Lets have a retirement party in Northward !!! Turtle meat included.
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Ezzard states; "the new

Ezzard states; "the new section of the law allows them to receive the pension without retiring- certainly not in keeping with the normal moral and ethical intentions of pensions, which would normally require one to retire before receiving a pension" Why would they even table such a self-serving law for only the chosen few.. Rhetorical. They should be required to pay it back. And then STOP inventing new laws to benefit themselves!!!!!
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Surely a pension is paid on

Surely a pension is paid on retirement, the fact that you have been employed for the maximin number of years required to qualify only means that if you choose to retire that is the level of pension you are entitled to receive. The point being after you cease to be employed by that employer not as bonus payment.

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I am happy to see these MP,

I am happy to see these MP, especially McKeeva is getting a proper thrashing in the public for being so greedy, it's like a drug for them, the more they get the more they want. I have a suggestion as of Dec 2010 there were 15,267 voters in the Cayman Islands, let's get 7787 willing persons sign a petition and take it to the governor and demand changes. According to the Miller Report, we taxpayers already face a $300mm “black hole” in pension funding for public sector workers. This is the shortfall between the cash set aside and the money needed to pay pensions for hundred of teachers, nurses, doctors, civil servants and bureaucrats and we have to deal with these greedy spineless pigs. The people need to address this issue and stop the double-dipping, no MP should not be allowed to draw on a pension WHILE STILL REPRESENTING, this is unheard of in any other civilized place, this has to be made clear to these MP's if they take the pension they have to step down.
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Of course this is happening.

Of course this is happening. This is just another aspect of the huge 'closing down' sale taking place.
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Wutless!!!!!Shame Shame

Wutless!!!!!Shame Shame Shame!

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These disgusting people are

These disgusting people are always full of jesus this and god that, but when it comes to money, they grab what they can. Another demonstration of christianity in cayman. Pension is reserved for the time one retires. It is not an extra pot you can grab from. But easy for them,because they made the law specific for them. What a disgusting place these cayman islands !!!
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I truly believe that all that

I truly believe that all that we as people of this small country can see going on is only the very tip of a gigantic and toxic iceberg. XXXX It is my fervent wish that this perpetraitor be permanently banished from any and all positions of power in this or any other country as he is the greatest liability and worst enemy that the Cayman Islands has, bar none. The fox is in the henhouse and he needs to get what the duck got, the sooner the better because by 2013 it is my humble opinion that the damage done will be catastrophic and completely irreversible. If this man, his cronies and puppetmasters, or anyone else who puts themself before the good of this country are allowed to continue, the future of this country is going to be very bleak.

Regardless of the context of this article and whether or not this is truly "double dipping", the blatant prostitution and outright butchery of the past, present and future of this country has to stop and I for one am open to all suggestions as to how this can be achieved peacefully. If one were to look at the history of Cuba one would see how the abuses at the hand of Batista and his cronies ultimately led to a revolution which ended up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and it is a lesson to learn that should be taken into account and heeded with the gravity it deserves. The similarities are truly astounding.

If these abuses of power are allowed to continue unabated then when change comes it could well turn out to be from frying pan to fire. We must dispose of this despot and rid his stench from the collective consciousness of this country forthwith. I am much more fearful of the effect he is having and has had on this country and her people than anything which he could do to me personally and to those who would speak up and sign their name but are fearful of repurcussions, I quote the words of a past American president in times of great turbulence; "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself".

In the aftermath of hurricane Michelle, McKeeva Bush staged a coup and descended as a buzzard on a weakened animal in a play for his own good and not for the country as a whole by any means. The time has come for the shoe to be on the other foot except this time it will be for the good of this country. Will the real patriots of the Cayman Islands please stand up and be counted, time is of the essence and that is what it boils down to. It is only then that we as a country will be able to attack and work to find the solutions to the myriad and ever increasing problems which this country is facing. At the very least the man is unworthy of his post and he is not a part of the solution, he is a part of the problem. I truly believe this and I will fight for the right of anyone who disagrees with me to do so, that is called democracy. God bless the Cayman Islands, we need it.

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Jonathan, whether by Freudian

Jonathan, whether by Freudian slip or purposeful design, your misspelling of the word,  'perpetraitor' was wonderfully appropriate. 

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Twas no mistake my friend.

Twas no mistake my friend.
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There is little anyone can do

There is little anyone can do until the next elections. Politicians get away with outrageous things that would put others behind bars for long periods of time. They stick together like survivors on a raft, all chained together, knowing that if they throw one of their members overboard, they'll all be dragged down.

Nothing changes: John Randolph 1773-1833, had a wonderful gift for describing, with exquisite aptness, the egregious failings his fellow politicians.

For example, of Edward Livingston he said, 'he is a man of splendid abilities, but utterly corrupt. He shines and stinks like rotten mackerel by moonlight.'

Or of Richard Rush, Secretary of the Treasury he said, 'never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded; no, not when Caligula's horse was made consul'.

Once he referred to, 'that most delicious of privileges--spending other people's money.'

And don't forget the genius Montaigne, who 500 years ago said, (roughly), 'that however high a prince's throne, yet still he sits on his own bottom.'

Nothing changes.

 

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And don't forget what I say :

And don't forget what I say :  'Meet em at the airport!"

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I'm not sure it's actually

I'm not sure it's actually wrong (within Cayman Law) to draw on a pension as a still serving MLA. Probably not as it happens... However that does not make it morally right.. indeed it;s far, far from it and in most civilized nations probably illegal... However this is part of a bigger picture and Cayman must wake up and see it and fast.. Leaders draining pension funds, PM's becoming Finance Ministers and signing currency..the whole LA actually having not a great deal to do on daily basis for the good of the island which is why we have the situation of the PM being PM AND Minister of Finance - surely a conflict of interest. We have also seen (and I cant remember 100 % here) but I'm pretty sure PM's being PM and minister for tourism, finance and something else... I might be wrong but I'm sure you get the picture..either this govt or the last it's neither here nor there. It didnt stop at the PM either - 'they' have all had a go at some time .... Point is our elected leaders either have too small a workload to justify their title or just about enough of a workload to get multiple titles and more fingers in conflicting pies !
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it's difficult to see greed

it's difficult to see greed being the primary motivator for politicians (both UDP, PPM as well as "independent"). Perhaps the UK should oversee government just like they do in T&C. Unfortunately we have a spineless Governor who is more appeasement than action.
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What example is Mr Bush

What example is Mr Bush setting in doing such faithless thing's? A ceaseless ploy,fantasy for elitism.
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Some comments compare the MLA

Some comments compare the MLA benefits to civil servants'.  Some even refer to them as if they were civil servants (they are not). Try comparing the required hours of work of civil servants to MLAs. How many days per year each is required to work, Compare pay. Compare travel benefits. OH, and free meals on the job - how many of them do civil service get.  Can a civil servant retire and be rehired with salary and pension after 55? Could a MLa be elected  do nothing, not attend meetings (or if a minimum is required then just the minimum) for the four years and still get a pension? God Bless the one 'eligible' MLA that did the right thing and not take the pension.

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Two quick points - I think

Two quick points - I think CNS hurts their own credibility though the title of the article - "Mac Double Dips ..." Clearly he is not the only one and CNS by singling out Mac may get readers interested in the article but certainly it is not good journalism. Secondly, given the number of young Caymanians seeking opportunities (and having the supporting education talent and education to make a positive impact) government needs to actually "retire" those civil servants already taking their pension. Step aside and let the next generation bring their ideas for the betterment of Cayman.

CNS: The other members of the LA who are taking their pensions had already admitted it, and this was reported in a previous article. The revelation that the premier was double dipping was therefore the "news".

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I agree with CNS that the

I agree with CNS that the distinction between mac not revealing his and the others doing so this IS newsworthy. But I think cns failed in examining whether there is anything morally wrong here or in addressing the so called accusation of double dipping. 

CNS: The question of the morality of the issue is an opinion. This is not an opinion piece (commentary). It is an article which presents the facts of the situation.

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CNS: Would you care to

CNS: Would you care to explain why taking a pension which you are entitled to under the civl service rules while being paid a salary and NOT continuing to contribute to a pension while working beyond age 55 is "double dipping"? Have you actually thought about how this is "double dipping" or did you just pick up on what Ezzard said in the LA? I know...it definitely sounds catchy/entertaining but lets think about it before charging down the sensationalist road. Help us to better understand the issues CNS, we know you are capable of that. 

CNS: You are arguing semantics and everyone else is discussing the issue of MLAs taking their pension while they are also collecting a salary for being a sitting MLA. The terminology is irrelevant to the issue (that means it doesn't matter what you call it) and "double dipping" is not a precise term (that means its usage is flexible). However, I don't think that anyone else is confused about what it is referring to here.

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Cayman politricks changed

Cayman politricks changed forever with the Bush generation of politico's. They passed legislation to give themselves large salaries and generous benefits and pensions. Being a politician was get rich first and then serve the people if there was time. It is hard to believe that anyone would argue "its the law therefore they are entitled". They created the law. Its plain old wrong whether it is a law or not. 55 is the retirement age, must be nice not to have to work to 65, 70 like the rest of you. How about the amount of time you serve and then collect your pension? Must be nice. This fodder has been going on for so long people are beginning to think it is normal or ok. At least the other two MLA's had the coconuts to disclose they were receiving a pension BEFORE the actually retired from service. Mr. Bush's "I will do whatever I want attitude" is once again thrown in everyones face. It is like West Bay election favors. For years many have complained about this practice. My West Bay friends used to tell me about the runners coming to their houses the night before elections and getting a $100.00 bill and told that Mr. is asking you to vote your conscience. Cayman is better than this folks. You deserve better than third world politicians getting rich off their own people.

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I found out after many years

I found out after many years that it isn't love that makes the world go 'round.... it's greed.  It's just human nature to be greedy.  Politicians are human, therefore they are greedy. 

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To me it is not surprising

To me it is not surprising to hear that the premier is "double-dipping" & taking his pension payments while receiving his lucrative premier payments as well & his extravagant "perks" paid for by us (the government), I've come to expect that kind of thing from him. But what is surprising is to hear that Tibbetts & Eden are also "double-dipping"! I have reached the stage now where, until he is stopped, I do not expect the premier to quit taking advantage of us. I heard on Rooster radio that with his combined monthly salary & his pension payments the premier is receiving in excess of CI$25,000 (per month), & that is only what we know about! WOW! Nice pay for all that travel.
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The greatest leaders produce

The greatest leaders produce more leaders and become great because of their love of serving the people and the country not serving for financial gain.
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It's ok.... the rest of us

It's ok.... the rest of us can eat cake!
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Why don't they just let us

Why don't they just let us all just take our pension from now and get it over with. It's not like we are going to benefit that greatly from it later. I mean so many people have retired but yet still had to go back in the work force because they could not live off of their pension. This is so sad but yet so true. So many senior citizens are still working and working hard jobs all because they still have mortgages and other bills to pay. So why not just take advantage of it from now. After all this is Cayman right and anything goes here.
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Sorry.......  You aren't a

Sorry.......  You aren't a politician!

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Politicians often seem to

Politicians often seem to struggle with the distinctions between right and wrong, and legal and illegal. They are not the same thing. Something can be both entirely legal and completely wrong, as many UK members of Parliament discovered to their cost over the last couple of years in the expenses scandal. Those who make the law cannot hide behind legality as justification for their actions.
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As a Civil Servant who has

As a Civil Servant who has always played by the book and never taken advantage of the system, I can now say that I am in total discuss about this!!! I must take a paycut, continue to give 110%, get blamed for the Governement being broke (as if it was me up in the LA voting of pet projects and monuments to myself). While Mac Attack fly firs class on these world jaunts. Got my support, NOT.
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Clearly this is a christian

Clearly this is a christian country.

 

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The remark was meant as

The remark was meant as serious.

It disgusts me to see these churchgoers take whatever they can get their hands on.

It disgusts me even more to see the church going voters being so naif.

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According to the Shaw-Miller

According to the Shaw-Miller Report into government finances there is a strong indication the CIG will not be able to meet it's future commitment for civil servant pensions and benefits. The Premier and others, including Kurt Tibbets, knowing this for quite some time have decided the most appropriate move would be to collect their pension now. The rules the higher ups in government have created allow them to do this for themselves. Others are left to hope and pray when the time comes for their retirement there will be sufficient funds. According to the numbers, this may very well be impossible. It doesn't look good for them. Tell me again who these people work for. And what their motivation is to alter a rule and collect pension while still on salary. Make hay while the sun shines.
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Can a Civil Servant in Cayman

Can a Civil Servant in Cayman aged 55 also stay employed and receive their pension? Can someone in the private sector aged 55 or older gain employment as well as receive a pension from some previous or current employer? Isn't it like having an investment that pays you dividends while you are still employed/working for a living. I really don't see anything wrong with it - IF GOVT COULD AFFORD IT. The Govt obviously has plenty money and is not broke as some have suggested. It is only the subjective prioritisation of which bills get paid that is the PROBLEM.
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I vote that the law governing

I vote that the law governing the MLA's pension be suspended, or given a "pension holiday". And also pensions paid to MLA's who are still in office be suspended as well until we see a better economic future in Cayman. If our unemployed Caymanians can not take their pension, then the MLAs should not draw a pension and a salary too. The Government and economic circumstances that we are now faced with in the Cayman Islands, certainly does not justify what the MLA's are putting in their pockets frim my point of view.
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There is nothing "amoral"

There is nothing "amoral" about this. About 60 civil servants also do this as well and the rules state that you cannot continue to contribute to the pension after making this decision. So what they are doing is taking the pension that they have already earned plus their current salary for current work (which is not pensionable). The term double dipping is wrong and misleading because there is NO overlap of anything. The previously accrued pension is being taken and the current work is being compensated by a salary. If someone were to continue to EARN a pension while drawing their pension then THAT would be considered some form of "double dipping" but that is not what is happening here. The only possible argument here is maybe someone should NOT be allowed to continue to have a job after age 55 or if they take a pension as they are not "retired". But that is debateable as well. And if we want to fix that last issue we should change the retirement age as that would help somewhat. This may be politically entertaining in the blogasphere but if we consider the facts (and drop the red vs green nonsense), there is nothing wrong here (legally, technically or morally).
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@ Justthefacts; Submitted by

@ Justthefacts; Submitted by Lachlan MacTavish (not verified) on Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:35. Cayman politricks changed forever with the Bush generation of politico's. They passed legislation to give themselves large salaries and generous benefits and pensions. They created the law. Its plain old wrong whether it is a law or not. You deserve better than third world politicians getting rich off their own people./// (This is perfectly put so I have cut and paste the my points) " They passed legislation to give themselves large salaries and generous benefits and pensions..." This alone is 'AMORAL' (no matter how it is spelled, we all know what it means) This should be so obvious and a perfect reason to vote no confidence back when this was done!! Greedy self-serving christians? It's called gittin it while the gittin is good!! Hurry before it's all gone. You got yours?
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You're forgetting one very

You're forgetting one very important thing - each of these MLAs and civil servant pensioners began serving when pensions were "defined benefit" rather than "defined contribution" so what they receive has absolutely no correlation to what they have given. Yes, the 12% of salary is paid into the pension fund each month and has been since they began working, but the pensions they receive are not based on what they have "given" but rather what they are "due". MLAs specifically are now entitled draw down between 2/15 (one fifth of two thirds) and 2/3 (two thirds) of their monthly salary at the time of "retirement", depending on the number of four-year terms they have served in the LA. If they have contributed less over the previous years than they are entitled to receive, they still receive the entitlement. Essentially, with very rough numbers and ignoring many intricacies of the system it only takes 3.6 years for the MLA to "receive" more than he has "given". If an MLA serves only one term before age 55 and is paid $8,808 per month the whole time (the minimum any MLA makes)... 1. They have paid $50,734.08 into the pension fund 2. They are entitled to draw down $1,174.40 per month indefinitely 3. If pension is drawn from age 55, in 3.6 years the MLA will have received more than he has paid in. If an MLA serves five terms before age 55 and is paid $8,808 per month the whole time... 1. They have paid $253,670.40 into the pension fund 2. They are entitled to draw down $5,872.00 per month indefinitely 3. If pension is drawn from age 55, in the same 3.6 years the MLA will have received more than he has paid in. These two scenarios of course do not account for gains and losses of the vehicles in which the pension funds are invested or the administrative costs. Money in does not just sit there and wait to be paid out. If the investments are very successful the money that has been paid in can increase substantially (the hope of every pension fund). On the other hand, when the markets are in the crapper (as they have been for a few years now) and administrative costs are high, what has been "given" will be lost over the years not to pension payouts, but to the market and administrative costs. The world over has realised that defined benefit pension schemes are completely unsustainable, but the reality is there are many, many people who joined the civil service and who were elected to the LA under when this was the status quo. The unfunded liability for the public pensions is STAGGERING, and the fact that we have not even tried to assess it recently is very telling. It's probably scares the pants off of many people in Government. If we consider the facts, there is something very wrong here.
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You think because it is 'law'

You think because it is 'law' that it is morally correct??!! THEY passed the law!! It's like playing a game and making the rules as you go along to fit your game plan. Ezzard; " new section of the law allows them to receive the pension without retiring- certainly not in keeping with the normal moral and ethical intentions of pensions, which would normally require one to retire before receiving a pension" Submitted by Lachlan MacTavish (not verified) on Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:35. .. They passed legislation to give themselves large salaries and generous benefits and pensions. Being a politician was get rich first and then serve the people if there was time. It is hard to believe that anyone would argue "its the law therefore they are entitled". They created the law. Its plain old wrong whether it is a law or not. .. This fodder has been going on for so long people are beginning to think it is normal or ok. At least the other two MLA's had the coconuts to disclose they were receiving a pension BEFORE the actually retired from service. Mr. Bush's "I will do whatever I want attitude" is once again thrown in everyones face. It is like West Bay election favors. For years many have complained about this practice. My West Bay friends used to tell me about the runners coming to their houses the night before elections and getting a $100.00 bill and told that Mr. is asking you to vote your conscience. Cayman is better than this folks. You deserve better than third world politicians getting rich off their own people.'
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They have not earned a penny

They have not earned a penny as they have not paid a penny of their own money in.  There is no deduction taken from civil service paychecks to go into pension.  They do not pay into the pension at all.  It is simply an added benefit that an already bloated government provides to the civil service.  Govt has to fund their pension obligation from the general funds as it does not come from salary holdbacks. These guys are double dipping plain and simple.

The pension fund is underfunded so they want as much money in their pockets as they can get before it goes bust.

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"They have not earned a penny

"They have not earned a penny as they have not paid a penny of their own money in". This level of comment is lamentably neanderthal like so much else on this subject which just gets the bozo thumbs going down though they have no idea of the various pensions laws. It's a non contributory pension scheme. You may not like it but that is what it is. They DID earn their entitlement to a pension, Dufus,; it has nothing to do with who pays for the contributions to the pension scheme.They earned the entitlement. Any other language you would like me to say it in? BTW, it doesn't mean I agree with it.
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I meant they have NOT really

I meant they have NOT really earned it etc... 

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You are right that they have

You are right that they have really "earned" it because it all basically contributed from public funds. But that is besides the point. That IS the way the entire civil service pension contribution system works. It is not unique to politicians.  That really should change (seriously civil servants and politicians should be contributing just like in the private sector) but I doubt we will have see that.

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Sorry - MLAs voting to allow

Sorry - MLAs voting to allow themselves to collect pensions for past terms while they are still employed as MLAs is very very wrong. The fact that 60 civil servants are allowed to do the same thing merely provides evidence of the extent of what is wrong with our government.

The fact that MLAs can pass laws to rip off the public purse does not make it moral for them to do so.

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