Foreign workers face bio-tests

OK, several things here. First off, this is a disastrous suggestion, and here's why.

The 1984 Big Brotherization of the globe at large is not only illegal in most cases, in terms of those countries' own constitutions. The wire tapping, DNA collection, data collection performed do not serve the people, whom the governments that impose such invasive rules work for. Instead they serve corpororate and government totalitarian agendas. Global tax collection is high up on the agenda, and we're going towards a cash-less society where this controll apparatus is imminent. Most of these invasive measures are imposed under the guise of terrorist threats, yet more people die from choking on peanuts than from terrorism, but we're not seeing any crack down on the peanut farms...

The colonial master of Cayman Islands, UK is the nation that is on the forefront of monitoring its citizens, and now all of a suddent little Cayman, in the middle of a budget defeicit is deciding to using even more invasive technology of a caliber used in the rest of the world "against terrorism", to weed out a couple of Jamaican illegals. It doesn't quite add up now, does it. It's possible that a couple of illegals are behind recent robberies, but as far as the majority of the crimes, especially the violent crimes are done by locals if the statistics don't lie. So we're left with people who overstayed in Cayman, probably pay rent somewhere, and spend what little cash they have on local business.  Is anybody trying to imply that these people are competing with Caymanians. Please. Are they here illegally and should be deported. Sure. Are they such a threat to this nation that all work permit holders regardless of nationality and positionshould have to give up bodily fluids to Cayman Immigration to be stored indefinetly in a database. No.

I'm in IT, with 15 years experience from working in 5 different countries. I work here as a distraction from my own country. Wanted to see the world, live in the Caribbean for a while, get to know people. I've had my share of fun, but it's been at a very high price. Because of that I've decided not to spend my foreign hard earned dollars and invest in the local real estate, because the general sense is that I'm not wanted here, outside of the fees my employer pays for me. I have a lot of local IT clients (many well known and well established business), and I've taken over mismanaged networks from local IT companies, and I've worked with the government's IT department. The impression I'm left with is that I've never seens such overall poor practices, so much cracked and illegal software, lack of firewalls and joke of a security setup, non-existing documentation, and sheer negliegence -- in my entire life. This is the culture in which we are to leave our most private information to be stored for an undefined lenght of time.

I'm hard pressed to believe that the Cayman government came up with this themselves. It's not a priority for the country. I believe that UK, as a condition of making funds available to Cayman, have earmarked a couple of conditions with the cash, and this development are part of those conditions. UK is a "democratic totalitarian" state that would love be in everybody's business to an even more granular extent than what they are now. But since they are already pushing the boundaries of the law, and since UK people are not likely to accept even more invasive technologies at this point, UK can use "their colonies" as guinea pigs. Use the same rethoric as with the terrorist threat ~ F ~ E ~ A ~ R ~, and an us and them logic, and local people who don't think about consequences will welcome this technology as we can see in this comment field. First it will be used against foreign nationals, then against Caymanians. Hey, why not start to chip people riught now?

Look at this issue on a global scale, and don't let your hate, nationalism, or racism decide. Using invasive technology is not "moving forward", it's moving backwards. Just because USA and UK does it, it doesn't make it right. Well, I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

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 Excellent point made by 17:21 that it might move us sooner towards US pre-clearance etc.  Of course the hate mongers who rush at every opportunity to spew venom always engage their mouths before their minds.

Here are some stats for those who are so 'concerned' about the population of Cayman's prisons:

1)  In the UK- HM Prison service reported 14% of the UK prison population as being foreign nationals.

2) In Canada there are over 900 foreign nationals in Canadian prisons.  That's 900 out of a population of around under 37,000 incarcerated offenders or around 2.4% of the prison population.

What does that mean?

Well in the words of some of the posters on this thread at CNS, the majority of people in UK and Canadian prisons are their own home grown, illiterate, ignorant, scum.

When we 'foreigners' go to the USA, UK or Canada, we don't complain about being fingerprinted, scanned and questioned as we pass through immigration there.  I guess since we are a little island and you are the great imperialists you should have free domain over the entire globe and not be subject to any of the rules you set for others in your countries?  

Please don't use legitimate immigration measures to smear your racist rants against an entire nation- the vast majority of whom are hard working, peace loving people.  

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"I said open your eyes and look right here"   LOL!.

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In countries saylike Duabio that have implemented eye scans it is solely to stop workers sneaking back in when their terms have ended. Now is that such a probblem in Cayman that it is worth spending millions?

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In a perfect world I would not have any problem with this. However in this world I have 3 questions:

1) How much will it cost a criminal to have an honest person's DNA and finger prints show up in the system as theirs and their DNA and finger prints assigned to some honest person?

2) How often will incompetent personnel mix things up so that a criminal's samples/information are labeled as being from an honest person without any payment for wrong doing?

3) Which politician/crony is going to get the big payout on this one?

We all know that 3) is a problem. Do the other two issues arise - of course they do. Just look at these reports:

http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201003210142.html

http://www.geneticsandsociety.org/article.php?id=4441

http://www.antemedius.com/content/can-dna-falsely-convict-you-chances-are-higher-you-think

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Those that say, “If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear” need to think again. You have much to fear. I am not just talking about abuse by a hostile regime; I am referring to the handling of the data on a day-to-day basis.

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I can't believe the many people who make this an expat vs locals issue.

If we can prevent some criminals (white collar and blue collar) from coming here, isn't this beneficial for everyone who lives here??? 

Wouldn't you want to know that the banker who is advising you has already been convicted in regards to fraud back home, that the employee you are about to take on has been in jail for drug offenses back home, that  somebody is roaming the streets who is a registered sex offender back home etc etc.

I for sure would want to know!

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Not sure what all the fuzz is about.

Every time I go to the US somebody takes my finger prints and a picture of me. I don't dare to complain because I am afraid if I would, they would take me to that "little room in the corner", interrogate me and my family for the next 8 hours, and then send me packing back home.

I also had to spend a couple thousand dollars to obtain US visas for myself and my family (airfare to Jamaica, stay in Jamaica, transport in Jamaica, etc etc.) and I didn't complain then either because IT IS WHAT IT IS!

I am also convinced that the majority of crimes comitted in the US are actually committed by US citizens - nevertheless, I don't think I have to right to question their immigration requirements, so why do so many people here  feel that they have the right to question Cayman's immigration policies????

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Three step plan to get around the fact that many Caymanians would object to being forced into being part of a database that can be manipulated by politicians and others at will:

Step 1- Pass clause 16 (non-discrimination) of the Constitution that in effect says that there is to be no discrimination on the basis of national origin; 

Step 2 - Put through this type of legislation that only targets those that don't vote and therefore are less likely to be an immediate threat to the politicians;

Step 3 - Wait for a lawsuit, "legal opinion" or note from the FCO to the effect that the "expat only" legislation is contrary to the Constitution and then impose it on Caymanians on the basis that somebody else made the politicians do it.

Anybody who does not understand that over time politicians try to and sometimes get away with abusing every bit of information that is available to them does not know history. A database that politicians can manipulate plus party politics is a disaster waiting to happen.

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This is the best thing the goverment has thought of in  100 years.  Weed out the criminals.  I know they are here ruining this place.  Now cayman is putting on a good thinking cap.  Go for it.  Dont have anything to hide then dont worry.

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Here is how it works:

Crime is escalating because of the people themselves. Governments can not do much about it, they are being blamed, but they are not in control.

But it gives government officials a great opportunity; They can now spend people's money on lucrative deals with companies. They have plenty of money and companies are willing to give incentives like condo's,travel etc.

So probably one day one of these officials met a security company agent on a party in some foreign country and made a deal.

The people can be fooled easily. And nothing works better then fear.

If one makes the job of a criminal more difficult, it will only increase the cost of doing "business" and create more criminals. E.g. if the punishment for selling drugs doubles, then the price for the drugs go up, and more "new" criminals enter the field, because now it becomes financially more interesting.

Reduction in crimes comes from taking away the source of income for criminals.

Therefor educate people on the risks of drugs, legalize certain drugs and criminal activities. It is simple to understand once something becomes illegal, it becomes a source of income for criminals. That is how Las Vegas got big, and the mafia was created as a result of criminalizing the use of alcohol.

We have to change society and not government or police. They are completely irrelevant, and only take advantage of the situation.

The change comes from YOU !

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