Helpers to skip rollover
Posted on Mon, 09/06/2010 - 18:49 in Headline News
(CNS): Government will be amending the Immigration Law during the next sitting of the Legislative Assembly to enable carers and helpers who act as nannies, nurses or some form of “specialist caregiver” to those who are elderly, handicapped or sick to bypass the seven year limit. Under a special certificate the domestic workers will be able to skip what is known as the rollover policy for up to five years if they remain with the same family, caring for the same person or people. The premier announced some time ago that he intended to bring this amendment as he said he was concerned that the country’s most vulnerable people were suffering as a result of the rollover policy.
The suggestion stirred up some controversy as there were concerns that this would mean immigrant workers on the lowest pay and without pensions would be able to apply for permanent residency.
The Immigration (Amendment) (No. 2) Law, 2010 states that the Certificate of Specialist Caregivers would not allow any individual who holds it to apply for permanent residence under sections 29 and 30 of the Immigration Law, as the amendment says the certificate would not represent “legal and ordinary residence for the purposes of sections 29 and 30” of the law.
It is not clear, however, given the implementation of the human rights bill from 2012 how after potentially 12 years in residence the individuals would not have a right to apply for residency despite the wording of the new bill.
The Cayman Islands Immigration Law requires all expatriate workers to depart the islands for at least twelve months after they have worked continuously on the island for seven years unless they apply for and gain key employee status. If they acquire key employee they are then at liberty to apply for permanent residence. This certificate would exclude those workers from that right, the law states. Despite those concerns, the bill is expected to be passed during the next session of the Legislative Assembly, which starts 8 September.
The bill states that the rollover exemption certificate for this special category of workers can be obtained via the Work Permit Board or the chief immigration officer at any time during the course of the caregiver’s final work permit. An application can also be made up to a year after the expiration of a final work permit. The worker must have been employed before application for at least three years looking after the specific person or patient.
The certificate won’t be renewed if the caregiver stops working for the same employer or if the person being cared for dies or recovers from their illness or disability.
The Legislative Assembly is currently scheduled to resume on Wednesday 8 September.
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the only people that should
the only people that should be rolled over are caymanians.......
they are the ones who will benefit most from a year away in another culture.....
maybe then they will come back with a differnet attitude and different view of the world instead of the standard "give me a job because i'm caymanian!" attitude........zzzzzz
This whole issue could easily
This whole issue could easily be avoided if you would A)clean your own toilets. B)Cook your own dinner. C) Mop your own floor. D)Raise your own children.
You know what gets me about
You know what gets me about most expats living in Cayman? They feel they can ridicule us Caymanians, that they can insult us, call us all kind of names, say insulting things about us, & tell astronomical untruths about us, but we must not saying anything bad about them. They feel that we must not defend ourselves when they constantly insult & castigate us. Well it don't work so! They must have respect for us in OUR country, & of course being the most friendly & loving people on earth that we are we will reciprocate. My advice to expats is "Do onto Caymanians as you would like them to do onto you" & then we will all live in peace & harmony. If expats continue to ridicule, insult & tell lies about Caymanians, we will fight back & there will never be peace.
Ever thought the poster was
Ever thought the poster was a Caymanian with a sense of work ethic and decency and no chip on their shoulder - signed - A CAYMANIAN who cleans his toilets, cares for his kids, does all the familial duties and doesn't bitch and moan like a baby when he doesn't get what he wants!!!
Can you walk in my path or hide in my shadow?????
To Anon 11:33 And the same
To Anon 11:33
And the same applies to unna. None of you expats, of all nationalities, do your dirty work at home, unna pay helpers to do the same. Caymanians, both male & female of the house, go to work, and therefore need help with the everyday chores. Do not try & make it out to be a Cayman problem only, it happens all over the world, because I have lived in many countries in my 66 years & I have witnessed it. Yes, in the UK, in Jamaica, in the US, In central America, & I've heard it happens in Canada also. Working people need help, & they pay people to help. Man, you expats try hard to paint Caymanians in a bad light when unna jus the same, do the same things, only sometimes worse.
But could it have been an
But could it have been an ethical hard working Caymanian like me sick of grudge-holding morons like (you, possibly?) that posted that in the first place???
Here... Here's a napkin for that egg on your face...
I am Darn sure no where in an
I am Darn sure no where in an ovseas news paper you see Caymanians advertising for house maids, helpers or nannys.
What is the point of coming
What is the point of coming out to the less developed corners of the Empire if one cannot enjoy the benefits of cheap help?
now this one goes for me
now this one goes for me because thats one thing that i did myself no expat did any cleaning,raising any of my kids or cooking for me. Dont NEED any of their help.
Riiiiiiight!!! Then who is
Riiiiiiight!!! Then who is supposed to be earning the money to pay for the overpriced standard of living here? I mean, a job paying decent money will not let you off at 3pm so you can get home to greet your kids from school, cook dinner and clean your house and wash clothes. In this country both parents must work just to make ends meet and MANY have more than one job just to get by.
Before you say, "well leave then", just where do Caymanians go from here? Would your country welcome ex-pats to just squat on their soil and drain their resources? Other than Canada according to one writer below, which is obviously such a big XXX place that it would never feel the strain of immigrants - unlike feeble ol' Cayman.
Ironically, the ones who chose to build this island into the overpriced country that it is, thinking that the "people" would benefit from the wealth, failed to share the wealth. So forgive us struggling parents who must scrape to pay someone to watch our kids while we fight to pay the likes of CUC. Do you think that we WANT to have to do that???
Oh another one! In the
Oh another one!
In the majority of countries, both parents work! Why do you say, 'In this country..."?
Don't you have a washing machine?
How long does it take you to cook?
Do you work Saturdays? If not then clean your house on a Saturday!
If you can't keep 'em, don't have 'em!
'Unlike feeble ol' Cayman'? This is the best comment yet and deserves to be put in the Comedy Comments!
The purpose of the rollover
The purpose of the rollover policy is to prevent Caymanians from losing political control of their own country. For some expats this endeavour would appear be of no value whatsoever. For Caymanians it is of paramount importance. There seems to be a "Manifest Destiny" mentality amongst a number of testy and very vocal expats in Cayman, who appear to believe that Caymanians have no right whatsoever to determine their future, and are in fact acting as a hinderence to progress, rather like the native Americans were viewed by some, who wished for them to simply "disappear". As an expat myself, I am appalled at the attitude of some of my fellows, whose level of disrespect and self-interest is truly mind-boggling. If you are one of these cheeky beggers can I tell you something? You have no more "right" to be here than I have. This is not our country for crying out loud! Try explaining to an immigration officer in Miami that you have a "right" to live and work in the US. He'd think you were nuts. So why do you think anything's different here?
I completely concur with your
I completely concur with your comments about our fellow expats, who mostly, I disassociate myself from because of their arrogant and selfish attitudes. The worst ones for me are the ones who come here and then want to try and change Cayman into a little piece of home. If thats how they feel then they should've stayed at home.
However your opening sentence:
"The purpose of the rollover policy is to prevent Caymanians from losing political control of their own country..."
did make me laugh... because it seems to me the real Caymanian people lost political control of their own country long ago, having placed their trust in MLA's in this so-called democracy, to do the right thing for the good of Cayman and the Caymanian people, and to have been repeatedly failed and failed again over the years. This is one aspect of Cayman I find very saddening for its people.
Knocked it out of the
Knocked it out of the ballpark!
However, you will see much disapproval towards your perspective.
Yet they say we Caymanians suffer from a "sense of entitlement" ... I wonder what is the suitable description for the naysayers?
"Sense of entitlement to dominate" perhaps?
Balance folks ... balance.
Guess we should know it
Transplanted soil with deep
Transplanted soil with deep roots, i feel your pain. I helped my helper got her US Visa and after taking a trip to Mia I never put eyes on her again.
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AMEN.
AMEN.
While I am sad about those
While I am sad about those wanting to leave because of rollover, being an expat myself I fully understand the reason for that.
This legislation is a very dangerous move and will open door for further legislations to ease the rule. I am fine with that but the process must be well thought through.
There must be a strong clause that people considered to be exempt from roll over MUST have contributed something to the Cayman community. Not just buying a house.
my 2 cents anyways.
The real danger here is more
The real danger here is more idigent family members bought in on the backs of new status recipients looking for work. Lots of people standing around and no work
These people treat their
These people treat their helpers/nannies like dogs....Now how can they hire dogs to look after their kids....Shame on you!!!!!!! Im sorry for the poor helpers/nannies...God bless them all
I have not read anyone answer
I have not read anyone answer the question "when do we stop"? Not one of you expats have given us a proposed figure of where do we stop. Do we allow unlimited amounts of foreigners to work in Cayman (12,000 population in the 1970's) & become Caymanians, or do we stop at:
1/. 300,000
2/. 400,000
3/. 500,00
4/. 600,00
5/. 700,00
6/. 1,000,000
7/. 1,500,00
When do you want us to stop? But then, after 1,000,000 people have been allowed to become Caymanians, wouldn't the 1,000,001 person complain that "Caymanians" are anti-expat? When do you expats suggest that a small country of 50,000 people attempt to control the ammount of expats who are allowed to become Caymanian? Please give us an answer. At what ratio of foreigner to locals does your country attempt to keep it at? Please give us some answers!
Think about it, each permit
Think about it, each permit holder that beomes Caymanian means Cayman needs one less expat as that job is already filled.
Now take a deep breath. if you hadn't noticed Cayman's population has droped almost 20% in the last 2 years.
400 years ago when noone was in Cayman how many expats that could become Caymanian do you think the island could have taken over the next 400 Years
What year will the world end?
What year will the world end? There isn't a number. Its a natural progression. No need to worry, we have gone fro 60k to 50k people so your point is mute. What other countries do is give away residency to successful and or educated people knowing they bring their money and ideas with them. Money and ideas create jobs. We, on the other hand make no distinction. To us everyone is an expat. Yes I know there are key employees (few and far between are given) and $1,000,000.00 residency, but their application is a joke because if there is any one of us who don't like the applicant we just run to Immigration, make something up, and that is the end of the applicant.
I also trust no one in your family married an outsider. If they have you should not be asking your question.
Why are you asking expats
Why are you asking expats these questions, is it not our government that make the rules? go ask them, maybe they can tell you
Don’t worry, when next year comes around "assuming we make it that far" and budget time is upon us once more, i have a funny feeling the expat population will fall at an even faster rate than it is falling currently, worrying about expats wanting to become Caymanian will b the least of our problems
I believe this is simply
I believe this is simply another move by the UDP to secure more votes in the next election. Just give more PR & status & those people will be indebted to the UDP & vote for them, like in the last election. This is known as selling your country for votes! It is also known as the oldest profession in history.
I don't suppose it matters to
I don't suppose it matters to you that neither PR nor status make an individual eligible to vote here.
Whaaaaa ya say Anon 18:47? It
Whaaaaa ya say Anon 18:47? It happened in the last election. If only you knew.
Anyways, PR & status leads to naturalization which is when a person can vote, & that step does not take long (usually 1 year after getting status)
But if only you knew what went on in the last election, if only you knew!
You are correct in saying
You are correct in saying that neither status or PR makes a person eligible to vote, however, they are both stepping stones, and I believe, prerequisites to Naturalisation...WHICH DOES....
Born Free i have been reading
Born Free i have been reading your comments here on CNS for sometime now and all you do is fight against everything the UDP does,you need to go sit down and figure out how to revive the drowning and directionless PPM and give credit to the UDP when it's due,untill then be fair or SHUT UP!!!!!!
"Credit to the UDP"? For
"Credit to the UDP"? For what? Tell me something to give the UDP credit for & I will do so. Wait, let me think............................... sorry, nothing comes to mind.
once they get to stay pass 7
once they get to stay pass 7 years they would be elgible for PR if successful more than likely they would get the "caymanian mentality" and they won't settle for a nanny job they would try to benefit and get a higher position in the country they would say an easy good bye to babies and gran ma's
What about teachers? I have
What about teachers? I have built up my classroom, my reputation, and for what? Just to move in a couple of years? It's a joke. If they had to ONLY employ Caymanians as teachers, these kids would be in a world of hurt. Cayman needs expat teachers, and we should be allowed to stay here longer.
Rollovers are a joke.
I would like you expats to
I would like you expats to tell me just how many foreigners you expect Cayman to allow to become Caymanian? Just give us a figure. When do we stop, or do you expats expect us to not have any limits, just allow millions of foreigners to live here & become Caymanian? Just give us an acceptable figure for you all. The problem is that you expats think that there should be no limit. Would you like that in your country? I cannot understand your reasoning.
You are assuming that all
You are assuming that all expats that are here want to become Caymanian. Some are really just here for the money and after 7 years will go back home. Problem solved, eh?
I'm from Canada, and we DO
I'm from Canada, and we DO allow people from all over the WORLD to come and live in our country for as LONG as they want! Refugees, and all. You should be allowed to live where ever you want, as long as you are contributing to society. And as a contributing member, I should be allowed to work here for as long as I want.
It's not the expats taking away your country and it's heritage, it's Caymanians becoming bitter towards expats because you cannot support yourselves as a alone as a country. Financially, and otherwise.
Look at your police! If they're not Caymanian they're from the UK. And you that's fine? But teachers cannot stay here for longer than 7 years? Completely unfair!
Oh yes Canada. It's only
foreigners will only stay
foreigners will only stay when they have a job..... i.e as long as cayman stays successful,..... if cayman succeeds caymanians will benefit too....its win-win......you should be grateful that educated, hard-working expats want to come here
if not we can always go back to the good old days....(turling, ropemaking...etc)
For real. & they are
It's a wasted conversation.
It's a wasted conversation. The direction of Cayman is such that they won't have to have a roll over policy as nobody will be asking to stay. The mass exodus has begun.
Rollovers suck. I have
Rollovers suck. I have witnessed many wonderful friends have to leave in the last 6 months. too many infact - they bought property, had families and made lives here over 7 years. its sad that because of legislation they have to say good bye to what has become their home and their lives.
its just silly really as in most cases these wonderful people will be replaced by enother Expat. it just doesn't make sense.
Let's not forget, these
Let's not forget, these contributing expats who had to leave after 7 years will be replaced by expats who will not invest in the country. Why bother becoming part of the community when you know fro the get-go that you are not welcome here?
Something that Caymanians need to understand is that just because we (expats) were not born here, does not mean that we love this country any less than you do. We live here, work here, have children here and in many cases contribute more to the community than you do. Just because we don't have the papers that you have does not make us less of a Caymanian than you are. Being Caymanian is in your heart, not on a piece of paper!
Well, all i know is that we
Well, all i know is that we in Cayman have not gotten to the shameful point as most of the greater western nations - i.e. UK, France, USA, Germany, Italy.
See the following links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrAbThrWkg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGK33rkk6E&feature=related
(CNS: Please make links "clickable" if time allows. How do I do that by the way?)
Quite disturbing footage.
Just imagine if those countries had experienced a doubling in population by outsiders with many of the newly arrived holding such a high percentage of positions of power and economic prowess as the Cayman Islands have done?
However, we are being branded as hateful, xenophobic and racist?
Very interesting.
Interesting indeed.
The point is that it is not
The point is that it is not good behavior when the Brits, Yanks, or French do it, and it is not good behavior when you do it.
On second thought ... Your
On second thought ...
Your comment was actually complete rubbish.
WE don't "do it".
Have you watched the provided links? Are you up to date with the developments surrounding immigration in the aforementioned countries?
Cayman is in no way playing in that league my friend.
Therefore, are you suggesting that we should have NO barriers to immigration at all in this country?
Help me to understand your point of view.
If only life was so simple. I
If only life was so simple.
I agree with your general argument - but immigration is a serious global issue today. No nation truly wants to see a mass influx of new faces in their midst.
However, I still believe that we in Cayman have experienced FAR MORE than our fair share of immigration and for the most part have obviously welcomed the majority with open arms. (I myself am a product of said immigration.)
Consider our population boom in the last 30 years.
Contrast this with the prospect of Brown and Black Africans, Arabs and Asians now making up 50% of the British population and with many of these individuals holding key roles in the society.
Can you imagine the ruckus? (Consider what is taking place at the moment against the sparse sprinkling of immigrants there today.)
Fortunately we don't have to as this will never happen for it will be a cold day in hell before the British government allows such a development to take place.
Nevertheless, we in Cayman are being labeled with a very misplaced paint brush.
If anything we should be commended for maintaining integrity, calm and civility in the face of such dramatic societal transformations.
For real.. But none can come
ummmm....I think you need a
ummmm....I think you need a history lesson, my friend...500 years is a MINISCULE amount of time in relation to WORLD history...and to say that Cayman has older history than America is downright ignorant...Columbus didn't "Discover" anything...Native Americans had lived on the continent for TENS OF THOUSANDS of years before Columbus "discovered" it....as for Cayman, well...I think that permanent settlers have been here a lot less time than 500 years...so, yo might wanna rethink your mindset....
There is nothing good about
There is nothing good about rollovers.
You expect undying loyalty
You expect undying loyalty and gratitude from your helper because you helped her get PR - in order to keep her your helper long-term!
The better "Masters" in the USA South sometimes granted their slaves freedom. Here is a good example of someone taking what was there's to take.
Goodness! if she worked as a domestic in your household, in what was no doubt a difficult and stressful position, for all those years didn't she deserve PR by right? And having been granted it, didn't she have the right to better herself by finding better employment. What a self-satisfied, smug, condescending woman you are.
This attitude to helpers is too wide-spread in Cayman. They are the ones preyed upon, not the other way around.