Murder "not gang related"
Posted on Fri, 03/12/2010 - 19:00 in Headline News
(CNS): While police have not named the victims of Thursday night’s shooting spree in the West Bay area, they have said that the man who was murdered in the first incident was a 29-year-old Ecuadorian national from the George Town area, while the victim in the second incident was a 16-year-old youth, who was shot in the leg. The RCIPS says that over thirty officers are now investigating the two shootings, but claim the murder was not gang related.
Police say that at about 7:26 pm Thursday 11 March, the Ecuadorian man was shot in the stairwell of an apartment block in Maliwinas Way. He sustained head injuries and was found to be dead on arrival at Cayman Islands Hospital.
Detective Superintendent Marlon Bodden, the officer in charge of the enquiry said, “This appears to have been a violent robbery which has gone tragically wrong. There is nothing at this stage to suggest that this murder is related to gang fighting on the island.”
In the second incident, at 7:33 pm on Capt Osbert Road, the teenager was shot in the leg. He was taken to hospital where he is currently being treated and is said to be in a stable condition.
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oh its not gang related !!
oh its not gang related !! that makes it so much better right ??? now it means you can be a random person and get shot at :)
Move the prison to the Brac!
Move the prison to the Brac! Jobs for the sister islands and gee, the poor criminals won't get their cell phones topped up and drugs brought to them by their girlfriends or thrown over the wall. It may deter some of the bad boys if they knew they would be sent there....
11:20, its not funny, but I
11:20, its not funny, but I had to laugh out loud after reading your comments. The humor was needed.
Stick your head a little
The CORRECT Statement
The CORRECT Statement is:
"There is no evidence to support that GOD, does NOT exist".
Until man is able to Create life, even in the minutest form, the evidence is overwhelming that that which we take so much for granted, is BEYOND our capability to re-create, and therefore is Gifted us from a Power that we cannot as yet comprehend.
Anyway you slice it, without GOD we don't exist.
"Until man is able to Create
"Until man is able to Create life, even in the minutest form"
Ever heard of sperm ? hmmm how about intercourse ?
Guess we all just magically appeared ?
Let's test this mode of
Let's test this mode of argument:
The premises are as follows: (a) H can't and didn't make L, and (b) L exists.
The proposed conclusions are: (1) Something, call it X, exists that made L; and (2) X is God.
First of all, this argument assumes that existence requires a creator, which means you are assuming the very thing you are trying to prove. First fatal strike to the argument.
Next, the argument assumes that to make L, X must be God. This is not necessarily true (meaning the argument requires more premises to make this a necessary entailment). There may come a day, and it probably will come very shortly, when humans can create life. That will torpedo that part of the argument empirically, even if the existing flaw were patched up logically somehow (which it can't without introducing untrue premises).
Finally, the argument translates into some funny things:
Premises: (a) A frog (H) can't and didn't make a bird's nest (L), and (b) bird's nests exists.
[You can include that a bird's nest is BEYOND the frog's capability to re-create.]
Conclusion: (1) Something, call it a bird (X), exists that made the bird's nest (L). (2) The bird is God.
Thanks for the try!
This isn't really the place
This isn't really the place for theological debate, but I would just add a few points:
I am a Christian, and I believe with every ounce of my being that God does exist. Which is why I get so upset when people come along with ridiculous comments such as yours. Such ignorance leads the whole religious community open to abuse from a world that does ask for evidence of things not seen. To argue that we have no evidence to suggest that something is untrue is outrageous. We have no evidence against pixies, fairies, the loch ness monster, leprechauns, or for that matter, we have no evidence to suggest that we weren't placed here by an alien life form far more advanced than our own as a scientific experiment. I don't believe any of these are true, but I suppose that you will tell me that as there's no evidence against them - you do believe them.
Clearly you did not read
Clearly you did not read and/or understand what Dickie-boy was saying...
I think we just
I think we just witnessed Dick and his first commentor exchange brain farts.
It just goes to show that when you start from a position of incoherent rationality, it's easy to get peeved about someone else's incoherent rationality.
Leave reason at the door, and just strap on the gloves.
how are the so called gang
how are the so called gang memebers ms-13 and other outside criminals getting to cayman? suspect our profitable airline cal is bringing them. it is time to stop flying cal to these third world countries importing economic refugees and criminals. the island cannot afford to keep this airline any longer; it is a financial drain, does not bring any tourists and is blocking competitive market forces from determining sensible and affordable airfares. for those who think it is the best thing since sliced bread, they can put their money where their mouths are and buy it. note the fate of air jamaica when you hang on to a loosing venture too long. anyone wanting to visit cayman from any of these countries can travel via miami where they at least have some screening mechanisms, something we don't seem too interested in putting in place in this country.
Whilst I would not wish to
Whilst I would not wish to criticise the reporting/headlines here on Cayman News, what the RCIPS said was 'There is nothing at this stage to suggest that this murder is related to gang fighting on the island.' That is a very different statement from 'It's not gang related.' The problem is people see a headline and don't read through the report. This is not splitting hairs - A perfectly accurate statement would be 'There is no evidence to suggest that God exists.' However, I would certainly not write 'God does not exist'.
Give the police time - A new man is at the helm, and you can't clear up this mess overnight - it's going to take several years. And all those who say clear out the rubbish from the police - I agree entirely with you BUT evidence is needed to get rid of someone, it cannot be done becuase the Commissioner decides he/she is corrupt/incompetent/whatever. We have due process on these Islands, and I for one will give a man time before I condemn him.
Totally agree with this
Totally agree with this comment..it will take time to sort out the decades of mismanagement in the RCIP. This man is professional, experienced and ethical. He is the best man for the job without a doubt.
He can sort this mess out with the support of his management team AND THE PUBLIC !
Give him time. I'm sure he has a plan But it might be one that he can't make public to prevent it being compromised. Everything doesn't have to be made poublic through the media despite what the many 'policing experts' who post on this site believe. Change does not happen overnight..it takes time.
Stop knocking him he deserves a chance. The combination of this commisioner and this governor is the best chance this country has of recovery.
So let's start backing and stop knocking.
you must be a civil servant
you must be a civil servant with interest in the police force. Some people in the civil service are condemned every day and very often they do not even know what they are condemned for but the wonderful police force is an exception i suppose.
There is no evidence to
There is no evidence to suggest God exists. The better deduction from the evidence is therefore that God does not exist until someone comes up with some evidence to support the proposition.
There is plenty of evidence
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that God exists (although there is no absolute proof) hence the theory of intelligent design.
I do not agree
I do not agree
one of these days God will
one of these days God will give it to you pal and you might not even be able to report it.
I love how this article is
I love how this article is about the downward spiral of our beloved country, and you clowns can only find passion enough to argue a passing comment about monotheism.
I'll tell you what, based on the story above, you better hope there's a God and that he's merciful...or we're all screwed.
“This appears to have
“This appears to have been a violent robbery which has gone tragically wrong. ..."
I really don't understand that statement .. is any robbery right? Could the Superintendent please correct.
Our prayers go out to the families.
I agree, and I don't feel as
I agree, and I don't feel as if I'm nitpicking to say let's not use meaningless references to crimes going "wrong", regardless of what is being conveyed, (which was that this was not gang related, which actually in itself is very disturbing). Something which can never be "right" cannot be described as somehow "wrong"as a consequence of an unanticipated event, in this case, I suppose, the poor gentleman resisting these evil-doers. Wrong is simply wrong, it can never "go" wrong. Let's keep this "cop talk" where it belongs, which is among the police, but I am very grateful for their good efforts, believe me. I do pray for our new commissioner and his staff, and I'm optimistic that we will prevail against those who seek to destroy our country.
I suppose a robbery gone
I suppose a robbery gone right is where the robber realizes the errors of his ways, repents, arrests himself, goes directly to Northward and stays there voluntarily without using the A/C, TV, cell phones, eating takeout, having conjugal visits in the woods or smoking ganja. That might be a robbery gone right.
Of course, a more likely scenario is that he actually hopes he gets caught so that he can not have to worry about working or being responsible, and he can spend his days relaxing and being carefree while using the A/C, TV, cell phones, eating takeout, having conjugal visits in the woods and smoking ganja.
Why am I at work again??? Where's my gun...
Contrary to popular belief,
Contrary to popular belief, the prison does NOT have A/C. It may be nicer than many prisons around the world, but let's try to keep the posts here factual.
Only the admin building has A/C and I don't think any prisoners are housed in the Admin building, although that may change with the current crime wave.
MS-13 Gang get real, why
MS-13 Gang get real, why would they be on this Island, it is little thugs thinking they are men, do these little thugs not realise that sooner or later they are going to die...... clearly not!! I guess if your ill-educated, not been bought up in the best circumstances, drugged out of your head 24/7 then yup I guess your pretty oblivious to the real world....... XXXXXXXX
Anything happen in this
Anything happen in this world, Cayman desperately wants to be part of it. Doesn't matter whether it's good or bad... Just like the little beauty queen who wants to be noticed.
FYI four members of this gang
FYI four members of this gang was deported from here in 2005 and thank God our law enforcement officers and Immigration were aware of the situation before it became a problem. As a matter of fact these people came here to visit family members on work permits hence the reason for them being on island.
If we had not detected and deported them from these islands can you imagine what would be happening right now. Hence the need for finger printing and a global criminal checks for anyone wanting to work here.
Does it matter if the killer
Does it matter if the killer or victim is Caymanian or foreigner? Someone is still dead and someone killed them. It happened in the Cayman Islands and we are getting bad press. No one feels safe.
It seems like quite a few people on CNS know (according to the comments that I have read) who the killer is or isn't. Instead of posting stuff here, call the police or crimestoppers.
So this was somehow related
So this was somehow related to the numbers game played in Cayman is it? This is what other posters seem to be intimating.
If the government would
If the government would introduce a legal lottery there would not be a need of people suggestng this, that the killing was was in relation to numbers game. What is happening on the Island is that many , many people here on work permit dont work. They sell numbers every day, som making 200 to 1000.00 per day. So why work? but in so doing, you have to pay up your winners. If government took control f this believe me we would be giving away money to people. Offer it to private Lottery companies and collect the millions every month. If you ant buying o selling, you would be shockedto know how much money is being made,and sen off te Isands each day. Its in th millions.
RCIPS knows the correct
RCIPS knows the correct angle that they are following for this most recent murder - please let's not all 'blog it up' like 'experts' and ruin their chances of catching someone. A normal Police tactic is to sometimes allow information to take certain directions. This was not a random act. Suffice it to say that if you or those around you are not involved in any criminal activity, most likely you will be safe. XXXXX
Hmmm....any relation to the
Hmmm....any relation to the two machete attacks in George Town....
time to renew the calls for a
time to renew the calls for a lottery?
the young man that got shot
the young man that got shot and didnt die reported being threatened and the police didnt investigate or do anything and now he has been shot! they ask for help and get none! he is 16! do they not see the peoples frustration! they say that the people dont want to help them but the truth is they dont care at all or want to help the people. police need to fix their corrupt ways first before they fix the island!!!
just the facts please
just the facts please
At this rate, the cycle will
At this rate, the cycle will continue, if the police will not take threats seriously and have an attitude of -they are all in the gang then what do we expect???
XXXXX What needs to happen
XXXXX
What needs to happen around here, in the Cayman Islands, is that people need to start speaking up and telling the truth. Not making up their own versions of events to suit their needs or saying "I don't know" or "I didn't see" in hoping to avoid the problem. Doing things like that DON'T HELP! All it does is make it easier for the people committing these acts and offenses to continue doing so. What, do you want to wait until more innocent lives are destroyed?!
There are witnesses who actually have seen individuals and know things, yet they keep their mouths shut. Quick fact: Telling the truth isn't going against someone or putting someone in jail. As a matter of fact, not telling the truth is the same as setting the murderer/criminal free! Not telling the truth can result in innocent people having their lives COMPLETELY ruined and possibly even taken from them.
Think of it, people...if it was YOUR child or family member, wouldn't YOU want someone to speak up?! I'm not talking about the typical Caymanian/individual that just talks to hear themselves talk or just to slander someone. I'm talking about persons who KNOW for a fact, because they themselves actually saw something/someone.
I know at least one individual right now who I've known from the time they were a little child and I've NEVER known them to be into anything like this. yet, this person is fearing for the lives of them and their family. You know why? Not because they were involved. But rather because there are people who are withholding the truth which could set them completely free and shed much needed light and insight into this case.
Please, PLEASE people...seek the Lord and pray for guidance. The Police may not be able to protect you, but God always can. For those of you who knows the truth and haven't spoken up and told the truth, read Exodus 23 verse 1. For the rest of you, read Psalms 23, John 3:16 and just read as much of the Bilble as you can to help you in life.
My friend called the RCIPS
My friend called the RCIPS recently and tried to give information for police to come out and get some real loud music in the morning hours turned down as it was disturbing the whole neighbourhood. They wanted her/his (the callers) exact home address and all personal details after they were given the exact location where the loud noise were. My friend explained that they did not think their(the caller) information was that necessary and was told they(rcips) needed that (the callers home information)
Does this make it encouraging for people to give information in this day and age bearing in mind that it appears that if you breath too hard on someone they will shoot you?? We are not talking about reporting a murder or more serious crime, so I cannot imagine how difficult it would have been to try to call in a serious crime, just lodging this complaint was like pulling 4 wisdom teeth. Come on RCIPS get serious and stop the games!!
Many Caymanian men are
Many Caymanian men are following David's example and impregnating several women - 2 Samuel 3.2-5.
The stud mentality is the
The stud mentality is the unfortunate legacy of slavery where healthy black men served exactly that purpose to increase the stock of slaves. No need for tortuous attempts to link it to a bible character.
get some info on the slaves
get some info on the slaves that were here before posting something like that! geesh! this is NOT America!
Not for nothing Monkey....but
Not for nothing Monkey....but America was NOT the only country in the Western hemisphere to utilise slavery and the genetic husbandry that accompanied it....Throughout the Caribbean, slavery was present in almost EVERY country at one time or another...
its about time our
its about time our officials demand thr social service list of all persons on there that all caymanians who are needy are takencare of and also all of our school c hildren who are going without lunch and i am reliabley informed that many on thee list are expat children and expat workers who are here and no work. vouchers are being used fore everthing but food and necessities.why are these people allowed to stay here and take from the poor caymanian families that are in so much need? cns would you please check into this and have post a list so we may all know who is getting. thank you.
they are allowed to stay here
they are allowed to stay here to take out caymanian's garbage and be outside wives
Our economy is in great
Our economy is in great problems-send the non caymanians back home especially those that are not working and the immigration dept need to require proof that these people are ACTUALLY WORKING eg pay slips etc.
I have nothing against expat but if there is not enough work for everyone then the Caymanians whether by birth or otherwise must get the work that is available and the others must go to their SECOND home. A hungry man is a angry man and desperate times call for desperate measures.
We are human and already have the tendency to do wrong so when we are faced with financial crisis, we will do what it takes to survive. Please get serious about all these 'so called permit holders'. Demand employers sumbit a record of their employees and salary payment records. This may sound crazy but necessary.
If we remember the Estella Scott's case-ricketts only had a few weeks left on the island and basically went out that night to 'see who he could get money from'
Because Caymanians don't want
Because Caymanians don't want to do the work that the expats are doing!!! This is a fact. Gardening, Housekeeping, etc.
Before our Saviours came to
Before our Saviours came to rescure Caymanians from Housekeeping and Gardening jobs I am curious to know who did these jobs? Martians I guess, oh no! Turtles and Blue Iguanas because there were no Caymanians before then (Only Natives). It appears to me from the many posts by people who came here betweeen 1970 to 2010 Cayman was a clean canvas and everything that has happened since then came about as a result of their miracle of being here and thus the creation of the Cayman Islands. Don't stop short of taking the credit for doing the jobs that Caymanians don't want to do or seem incapable of doing take credit for everything as there were no "Caymanians" before you came here only Turtles and Blue Iguanas.
Why not tell the truth
Why not tell the truth .Everybodt knows it was not a robbery????????????
If MS-13 Gang is here I beg
If MS-13 Gang is here I beg our officials to deal with the problem now!
Please everyone go to the below web site and read about this gang.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ms-13.htm
If it is not here now, just
If it is not here now, just give it a LITTLE time and keep ====
1. Covering for family members & friends for whatever reasons-It may be hard folks but we got to do what we can do to SAVE OUR LIVES AND THOSE OF OUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN.
2. keep people in the RCIPS that cannot be trusted and take serious things and making jokes out of it because of our make up, they tell us ALL KINDS OF RUBBISH just to get rid of us the EASY WAY!
3. Harbouring our children & and allowing them in our homes despite the fact that they choose not to work, but always have money and helping to pay the bills in the house-from what money, where is it coming from-IF IT IS NOT HONEST MONEY THEN IT IS DISHONEST, this is very easy to figure out. Remember the old saying, money do not grow on trees (drugs do though)
Parents do not get caught in THE EASY WAY OUT & particapate in the DRUG WAR by accepting financial assistance for those involved whether it is our son or daughter and whether you are experience GREAT FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES, do what you can do to earn and honest living, but say NO to any help from funds from illegal activities and make SENSE out of NONSENSE, when we have people in our homes that is not working but always living as if they are. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE, if you SAY NO to careless & illegal living GOD will open the necessary doors for you financially-sorry if i sound Christianey.
First RCIPS claim this murder
First RCIPS claim this murder was gang-related, then they claim "robbery gone wrong". Hmmm, bet they change again.
PS, what exactly would a 'robbery gone right' look like??
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