One dead in gang shoot out

If MS-13 gang is here our officals had better address the problem now!

I beg every to go the below website and read about this gang.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ms-13.htm

When crime takes over a neighbourhood people move out and property values drop. Rental apartments empty, businesses move and homes become very difficult to sell.Eventually only the poorest and oldest remain and the gangs have a free run. As their territory expands the police stop community policing and only venture in armed and in force.

As the once peacefully community with a proud history  is hijacked it becomes a no man's land or a ghetto where residents stay silent and out of sight and the criminals are protected by a network of spys and informants.

Children are intimidated or enticed into membership and even the ones that don't join are suspected of having connections. Language and mannerisms deteriorate into a culture of ghetto or gang speak that segregates them from future employment and self sufficiency. Where you are from determines where you are going.

Political representation becomes compromised as strongmen take control of the population and the vote. As this cancer spreads it looks for the next vulnerable community and the cycle starts all over again. Eventually the Island is taken over,people move out and property values drop. Rental apartments empty, businesses move and homes become very difficult to sell at any price.

All hidden behind a complacent population and a code of silence reinforced by extended family relationships and intimidation. I guess watching their children die and their property values drop like a stone doesn't matter enough. Here is the next step.

"Prime Minister Bruce Golding is defiant that the Jamaican Government was right when it refused to sign the extradition request by the United States for West Kingston strongman Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke.

Coke, the west Kingston 'businessman' and reputed 'don', whom Washington accuses of exporting narcotics to the United States and importing guns into Jamaica is the reputed leader of Tivoli Gardens, a section of West Kingston represented in Parliament by Prime Minister Golding."

West Kingston is Golding's inherited parliamentary constituency, and Tivoli Gardens, where Strongman Coke has his base, is a political 'garrison.' The US stated that: "The high-profile suspect resides in and essentially controls the Kingston neighbourhood known as Tivoli Gardens, a key constituency for the JLP,"

I wonder who is exporting guns to Cayman and what the plan is?

when the power of love overcomes the love of power, CAYMAN will know peace.

 

we need to save our beloved isle, it is never too late. why do we have to think that this should be the norm? it is definalty not. we need to help one another! we are but a small little island, why are we fighting our brothers? dont blame politics or police, im sure RCIPS is not going to be everywhere all day, everyday. we need to be eyes and ears when they are not around. we need to be reporters of our island, to keep our friends and families out of ignorance and harms way. do we have to fear doing regular daily activities such as going shopping and going to the park with our children?

lets fight this together, i am sure that the good of this island out-weighs the bad.

i am a very young, concerned caymanian lady, i abide by the laws of this island and i try my best not to "step on anyones toes". i want to grow here and live here for the rest of my natural life, i love cayman very much and was once proud to call this whole island my home, not just George Town or West Bay or East End ect. this WHOLE island.

what will become of us if this madness continues? where will we run to when the criminals take over because they "think" we are afraid of them?

Cayman is full of loving, caring, smart, all around good people. Whether they are born Caymanians or not.

There will be a judgement day for everyone, we are not the ones that should decide who lives and who dies, yes, we should not have the heartless and careless walk amongst our innocent children. that is what the law is for. it is the right way of dealing with people who do bad in the society and are seen unfit to live with us.

 

i just hope and pray that WE get our safe island back.

GOD BLESS

This is not a political issue. It is not a PPM, UDP or Independent issue. This is a parenting issue. I am dishearten by the attempts of political parties and their members to politicise this increase in violent crime rather than roll up their sleeves and help find solutions. I find this to be far more criminal than the actual crimes are. Shame on each and everyone of you who are seeking to blame politicians for this, we all voted them in, we must take responsibility for our countries social problems rather than attempt to play the blame game.

 

 

For all those who want to know more about MS-13 well it is a well organized international gang group. This gang started in El Salvador and the real name for this group is Mara Salvatrucha which was named after "LA Maria" a street name where the gang started now they are all over the world. They like revenge.

 

For more information go to google and learn more.

 

Cayman has gone to the dogs, we are like crabs trying and fighting to get out the holes and move away from danger but we are being killed one by one.

I know i might have problem with my family but this killing and stuff is just pushing me to leave my beautiful Isle of Cayman.

Why does our government refuse to hear the people's demands that they get tough on crime? I used to think that it was because they are lazy and inept. With their ongoing refusal to do anything about the violent criminals who are destroying my country, I am beginning to think that they must be seeing some benefit to letting the criminals destroy the country.

Maybe once the Premier has finished building the wall around his personal property at our expense, he might give just a little thought to the fact that the rest of us don't have that luxury. I doubt it though, and for that reason I would like a change in leadership with someone who is willing to be tough on the gangstas stepping in.

My goodness what have we become I mean this is what happens when we have lost all cultural values and accepted BET as our moral measuring stick. Trust me I enjoy some forms of rap music yet what we shouldn't allow is the gangster mentality of degarding women, selling drugs and promoting violence. Our borders aren't protected so it makes it easy for illegal firearms, human trafficking (which is happening) and drugs to enter our shores.

We have danced too long with the devil and ignored for the last 5 years that we have a crime issue. This is just like most things in Cayman society that is either tucked under the rug or rapped lip tight. See where this has gotten us now and I'm an optimistic Caymanian and believe that things will get better yet it has got to be done drastic and effective no more Mr. Nice Guys the world is watching us. 

Poor parenting, policing and community involvement has left us in this rather sticky situation. We need Gang Specialist from Major US Cities who are well trained and want to stop this madness. I pray for the families of this man and the others who have been attacked yet if you know that they might be involved in gangs please try to help them get out. There is no good in causing harm to others and to the 09:52 thanks for being positive. The day a tourist or some high ranking official or business person is killed then heads will roll and the politicians will come out from their holes and quit the blame game. Wake up Cayman and face the facts gangs are here.

Why can't the police invoke a "stop and search" policy with immediate effect.  No on should have an issue if they have nothing to hide. 

Hang around the local bottle stores and watering holes, make use of the stop and search program and interrogate people.  If it does not produce weapons (guns, knives and other illegal objects) it may unearth other illegal happenings or atleast reduce the spots for gangs to congregate.

No one on these islands should have a need for a gun (and don't give me the bullshit story about "they are needed for duck and rabbit hunting")

And can everyone stop talking about "these foreigners that come to the island bringing these problems"....I am very sure you will find that the "troublemakers" are caymanians whose parents interest in them faded once the could walk and talk....leaving them to be impressionable souls that are being led down the wrong path.  KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE, WHO THEIR FRIENDS ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING AT ALL TIMES.....ITS YOUR DUTY!

Northward Prison should not be used for anyone doing over 14 months,,everyone else should go to Cuba as suggested earlier.

I am sure Cuba will welcome the extra cash and Cayman will make a saving and the bad hoods who go to prison will get a taste of real prison not a holiday camp with bad management

How have we let ourselves become so complacent about what is happening to our country? Is it because we feel like it is not affecting us directly? Or because it seems to be isolated, drug and gang related violance that does not impact us? I would like to see more media coverage on the so called less serious crimes, like the regular muggings that are happening on this island that have all but been forgotten by the media! Perhaps if we focus on these smaller crimes, we will catch the bigger criminals. This week apparently a sailor off the U.S. Coast Guard was mugged in GT and ended up in the hospital. This is the behavior that needs to be addressed, and dealt with, and I am confident, it will be connected to the jack XXX shooting each other. If we feel more affected by and threatened by the crime on the island, perhaps we will feel more inclined to do something about it peronally. It is one thing for people to shoot each other over drugs etc, but I think the more important issue is that there is a mugging probably once a week along the major tourist strip of West Bay Rd. I can't believe the number of first hand accounts I have heard in the past year about people being attacked on the street in the relatively early evening. I grew up on this island, and love the island I grew up on, but I am afraid of what is happening here. I spent a few years living in one of the largest cities in the U.S. and to be completely honest, I felt safer there, than I do here today! I worry about walking to my car after dark in GT from my office. I never felt that way downtown in one of the largest cities in the U.S. with a serious reputation for crime and gang violence. I suggest that someone in the police force and/or government consult with someone from former NY City Mayor Rudy Giuliani's office on how to tackle this sort of issue, or at least read the book Freakonomics and understand that many of these criminals are cought by focusing on the smaller crimes. Giuliani is famous for drastically reducing violent crime in NYC..if it can be done there, it can be done here with the right approach. How is it that this island has changed so much in a lifetime that a 4 yr old boy is shot in front of a gas station and across the street from children playing football, and yet, no march has been organized to protest this behavior in our world. If we don't do something soon to stop this, this beautiful island nestled between Jamaica and Honduras will be exactly the same, only divided by water!

Gangs, Politics and playing the numbers will be the destruction of these Islands.  There are dissent, division and destruction amongst us and we need to re focus.  We the people of these Islands have to stand up for what is right in the eyes of the LORD or we will fall in Hell.  Every parent needs to teach their childen from birth  the Bibical values of life.  When you focus on God, he will provide us with our needs.  Today the parents are training their children to focus on material things and when they cannot get it, they will steal it, peddle it or kill for it.  Re Focus our society Cayaman or we will lose everything!!!

7.26 & 7.33, I dont know west bay, but how long does it take someone to get from the first location to the next?  Will the police be releasing information if these shootings are connected?  Im sure forensics can assist?

Fear not, the good Captain of West Bay has this whole thing under control.

And this is just the beginning.

Gangs will grow and become an important part of society.

They will invest their money in businesses, and become a political entity.

Politicians will have to work with them, making them part of the problem.

Soon this small island will be controlled by gang leaders that have politicians and police in their pockets.

Then the people that can leave this place will start moving, leaving the poor behind.

Tourists will be attacked and cruise ships will end their visits.

Business owners will be forced to pay "protection fees".

Kids in school are going to be recruited, because in a gang one makes money and gets respect. In cayman kids don't get respect and the chance of getting a descent paid job with a future is nil.

The said part of it all, that we were warned for this to happen. In the 80's the gangs were just starting, but politicians and religious leaders denied it.

Now they are a part of cayman and are here to stay and take over.

Be sure the police knows the leaders of these gangs, but police is not backed by politicians. Of course they can be arrested and put in jail, but it is just not happening. Proving my point, they are already in control.

For politicians and pastors this situation is working well. They gain power and more control, since the people are scared. Fear works well. It works for gangs, but also for leaders. Church is making people scared, it really works.

To all expats: Pack and leave, this place is going down. Lets leave them praying in church and deny the troubles they are in.

They will never learn.