Robbers shoot victim in face
Posted on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 07:07 in Crime
(CNS): A young man was seriously injured following a robbery attempt at the jerk chicken hut in Red Bay last night, despite offering no resistance. The attempted robbery took place around 11:30pm on Wednesday evening as the staff began to close the stand. Three armed men carrying what seemed to be hand guns emerged from behind the Drama Society Theatre and demanded cash. Without provocation, one of the robbers fired a shot and the young victim, who was a customer at the stand and was helping staff was hit in the face. Following the senseless act of violence the robbers fled on foot empty handed in the direction they came, sources tell CNS. The young man who was still conscious was rushed to the Cayman Islands hospital. (Photo by Dennie Warren Jr)
Friends of the twenty-eight - year old victim, who worked for the Cayman Islands Brewery, said Thursday morning that despite the severity of his injury he is alive and doctors are making every effort to stabilize him so he can be airlifted for further treatment. He has lost an eye but it is believed the young brewer has not suffered any brain damage although the bullet passed through his face.
The RCIPS has now confirmed the incident and officers are appealing for witnesses. All three suspects wore masks and spoke with Caymanian accents. One was wearing a hoody type jacket.
“ These are dangerous individuals who need to be caught before they injure or kill some other innocent person ,” said Detective Sergeant Wright. “ If you were in the area at the relevant time last night and have any information about what took place, or the identity of the gunman and his accomplices, please call us now.”
Information can be passed to George Town CID on 949-4222 or the confidential Crime Stoppers number 800-8477(TIPS).
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Signs of the time, it
Signs of the time, it begining to look a lot like certain countries in the mid 1970 and 1980. Political parties and colours = corruption, unemployement, deep seeded proverty, social breakdown and overnight increase in violent crimes.
This crime wave must stop.
I have an idea, no need to
I have an idea, no need to retire the police and replace them with Chinese. The UK officials will soon be here to take over and bring in their own people and the sooner the better to enforce law and order.
I have an Idea.. Outsource
I have an Idea..
Outsource the police.. retire all RCIP and allow the Chinese to Police the Island.
Government had better get a
Government had better get a hold of this problem for the very first time in the history of the Cayman Islands our young people are idle and have nothing to do. When people expecially the young are idle without gainful employment they become dissolute and lawlessness takes over.
Leader beware stop the garrison politics look about and I am going to be very blunt stop being influenced by the outside political influences. Don't you see that we are becoming a mirror of Jamaica. The best example of this was the the rally at the public beach for job registration. Where in God's name did this kind of mentality come from in these islands, is this another unwanted import ?
I am so very angry to see where my country is heading. I beg you in the name of God stop this behaviour. I beg the governor, do some thing, show your leadership, please represent the good name and graces of HM. Good governance is what is needed here right now as a matter of fact it's past due.
Calling for Fidel Castro for
Calling for Fidel Castro for temporary 6 month rule over Cayman!!
It is now time for some kind
It is now time for some kind of operation to stop these gun crimes and criminal, police need to start targeting the problem areas and place of business that are easy targets for these criminals.
We do not need this degree of crime and fear in an island so small. If we are unable to do this or lack the know how seek overseas assistance ask RudyGiuliani what he did in NYC to clean it up as before he did NYC was a scary place to be back in the 80's and today I feel much safer in NYC than here in Grand Cayman.
Rudy brought in the special
Rudy brought in the special forces from Miami, that knew how to fight the type of crime that had infested his New York state.
You will never see that done here. we are a stubborn and bullheaded people, and don't want to listen to advice.
Kick in some doors and bash
Kick in some doors and bash some skulls til you get answers. And people please when they go kicking in doors, stop talking foolishness about, "boy, that na right yu na, dey shouldn't do dem daaat cuz dey innocent".
Maybe the RCIP should use the tactic now adopted by the Jamaican Police, when things go down, they give a list of names to media outlets to have them turn themselves in (known criminals or names that are being called by the community) by 8am next morning or by 9am the next day. And its working, 99.9% of them do, because they know that when they don’t, it’s an excellent chance that they might end up looking at a body bag from inside out. These gunmen are now even afraid to be called dons. Imagine.
Its time for different tactics, with these young thugs , the more they do, the more stripes they earn in their gang. These are not the days of one officer on patrol. And as for community policing, a little guy riding around on a bicycle???? Those days are gone, the only type of community policing now needs to be hardcore policing. If your children hang with the wrong crowd and you sit by and say or do nothing, then your doors, windows and everything deserves to be kicked in.
By the way people, are your teenage children working? If not, are you giving them money? if yes, is it enough to buy the expensive things you see them with? If they are not working, where are they getting it from? Are you accepting the things they give you without question? If so, you are just as bad as them, no, actually, worse.
As Reneto Adams once said “them alligators need to be crushed from the egg, you don’t wait til they hatch”.
Caymanians Look up Reneto Adams, give him one week Cayman would be back to normal. Every yellow bellied alligator egg would flee.
Simple enough solution to a
Simple enough solution to a large portion of the muggings, rapes and robberies. Arm and train the citizenry. Small time criminals are basically school yard bullies. They never pick on the big kids. If the law abiding public had the means to defend ourselves on an even playing field and the legislation to protect us when we act in self defence there would be a massive drop in the horrible crimes.
Arm and train the
Arm and train the citizenry:Thats an extreme action. Its the police duty to protect and serve the community. Train the police properly and if they dont measure up, fire them including the Commissioner and some of his senior officers. Then source good and genuine police officers from here and abroad(not Just England ) to properly detect and irradicate crimes. When you put guns in citizens hand some of whom are of intemperate nature and with bad tempers, you will have more domestic violence and shootings. If you have not seen what happens on some Friday nights and some holiday weekends in some homes on this island and at the night spots, you need to take a ride with the unifom patrols and spend some hours at George Town or West Bay police stations and you would be surprise to know what goes on when you are blisfully asleep.Guns in the hands of some citizens would be tools of family violence. Citizens are alreay volunteering with the Constabulary, and interestingly these are not trained in fiearm usage.
It was just a matter of time
It was just a matter of time before someone was deliberately shot during an armed robbery. It won't be long before someone iskilled. What will it take for SERIOUS action to be taken, the relative of an MLA or the family member of the Governor?
Yep, just a matter of time.
Yep, just a matter of time. While Baines can't be responsible for every crime not prevented, there is a systemic failure in the RCIPS, and that is for him to fix. Not helicopters, not cameras, not trying to teach tards to write and spell properly, but live up to your first words on this island, "We've been policing 150 years, we know what we're doing".
He HAS to admit that he's got it wrong, head hunt back the good cops that his less that professional 'professional standards' department have routed out of the service, or pack up and go home.
Diving holiday's over Dave, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
To All Senior Civil Servants,
To All Senior Civil Servants, ok the top 4 and you know who you are. You are in charge of law enforcement, you can make the changes and at this time you are doing nothing, oh sorry you have spent millions on the helicopter and now a couple million on cameras.
We need to get to the root of the problem and this is education. Yes we need to start in the schools with our young children. Unfortunately my age group 35-45 have brought our kids up in as an entitled generation, whatever our kids what they get, as Caymanians we are entitle to jobs, not learn how to read and write. Our teachers can’t even disciple children in school, if they do parents go down the school and threaten the teachers, the kids see this and now have no respect. What these young Caymanians need is a good thick ear and maybe even a beating 9 to all you human rights people @@@@ off). Our problem is not going to be solved I the near future, I personally feel we have to right off children from the ages of 12-26 at this time, Now for those of you that have gone to further your education and have jobs, congratulations, however, I have seen some of you out at clubs and in public areas and your manners are dreadful. Learn respect. In Fact what you need to do is look at a young Caymanian named Felix M, look up to him, he doesn’t have to swear he treats all equally and a very good example of what you can do with your life if you put your mind to it. To be honest, for those that know Felix, we need to push him to run in the next election, as I believe some of these young person’s would listen to him rather than us old people. As we are not cool and he is.
To the Commissioner Mr. Baines, you need to let go of your English ego and go speak to some of our older police officers that have left the force, utilize their experience, most of the former officers know the streets and have been on the island a lot longer than a lot of your new officers, I recently spoke to some officers ( not from the UK, but Jamaica) and they didn’t even know School House Rd and Scranton. Also you have to get more officers on the streets, I heard that there is one inspector on duty to run the whole island at night and CID get off at midnight unless something happens. @@@@ I recall before you guys brought this English policing policy of community policing, DTF, uniform, traffic, CID worked all the time. Finally, Mr. Baines I believe you think you are doing the right thing for the Caymans but you are not, don’t listen to your senior officers, go on the streets and speak to the man on the street, as I believe you really don’t know what is going on with your department and this island. Just my opinion.
Now time for bed and to get ready to wake up again in the morning to read about another robbery or some sort of crime on CNS.
So can I legally carry mase
So can I legally carry mase yet? We as civilians risk prosecution for carrying pepper spray, pocket knives or other forms of personal protection but our RCIP are too busy doing God knows what to catch these criminals! I would love one of you to have one word to say about people carrying pepper spray after this incident! It is not a major defense to a gun, but it's dang better than being empty handed!
What does Cayman have to
What does Cayman have to offer anymore? I used to justify the high cost of living because it was a safe place to live. Now I'm just feeling ripped off. Despite what many may think, there are many safe places on this earth. I know the ignorant will tell me " to go then", but this doesn't solve the problem here. There are many Caymanians who have had to leave Cayman because they can't make ends meet, because they want a better education for their children, because they want more out of life. Are these Caymanians going to be told "not to come back?"
18:59 I am a Caymanian and I
18:59 I am a Caymanian and I agree with every word you have said.
I believe the police should have searched every home in that area.
Somebody knows something, but just wait, the little suckers will be caught
I'm just glad to be gone.
I'm just glad to be gone.
The place where the young
The place where the young unfortunate man was shot does have crowds of people there. it is open air and next door to On-The-Run in Red Bay that is target so often. One can expect anything to happen at this Hot Spot that is one of the reasons the Police should make many checks around this area. I am starting to wonder; How safe are the School children there, because it could have happened during the day.
The Cayman Islands have a grave problem on its hands, we need many of our good citizens helping to monitor places and roads days and nights to help fight this cancer that is taken over the country by wounding innocent persons to get a dollar. Can we get an answer on the next steps citizen should take in securing and preventing these actions?? Don't say, lock your doors, as there are other ways and means of entry. Personally, I have had three break-ins and one attempted all within three Months between 2 and 3:30 am. My contribution is to be alert and prepare for such events more than bad times are ahead. Some cleaning up is required in our country or this will have to be the next demonstration to take Cayman Back.
Easy to sort out. Martial Law
Easy to sort out. Martial Law for a month. Stop suspects at any time, ask who they are, what are they doing, how they sustain themselves, take them in and ask more questions. If caught and convicted, maximum penalty for traitors and enemies to the country; for anyone who robs or hurts our own must be treated as an enemy to our islands and be dispossed off. No prison. Then invest on education so the next generation learns better values and higher standards and the respect that has been lost. Our generation is already corrupted. Only severe consequences will stop the crime.
They ran away on foot. Where
They ran away on foot. Where is the K9 unit? Or have the dogs lost their training? A good K9 officer could have found those guys last night.
18:16 I totally agree with
18:16
I totally agree with you, but that would need some intelligent police on duty, to give out that order....what a mess we are into.
As a person with no police trainning, that would be my first common sense move.
block all roads around the bushes, that they ran into, and send in the dogs.
For christ sake Marlon , are you guys afraid of these gun tooting thugs? if that is the case, then import the ss, they are not afraid of taking a bullet, these guys are well trained in war fare. May i ask, how many of your cops are trained in this type of warfare.
I guess like the rest of the industry...they are hired because they say they are policemen. How many have been to high intensed trainning camps. If you can't answer that question, then I will tell you, we do not have a proper police force .
Either on training or
Either on training or overworked from the day shift.
I wish I had read this before
I wish I had read this before we booked in the Marriot
When are you coming? Mac says
When are you coming? Mac says he'll have it all sorted out by this time next week.
Marriott will swap your
Marriott will swap your booking for a different location - and your vacation dollars will go much further elsewhere.
In the last year there have been several serious attacks on tourists a few hundred yards form the entrance to your hotel.
Is there a place you can rent
Is there a place you can rent a gun? I'm down there next week.
We have this really nice
We have this really nice residence in West Bay with a twelve foot fence and 24 hour hour security that we can put you up in. Utilities and all other services are compliments of the Cayman people. And if you decide to stay till Christmas we'll throw in free Christman lights for your enjoyment. Don't worry, Cayman is still d bes man.
The government needs to
The government needs to earmark a special fund for fighting crime. This fund is for any info leading to the arrest and prosecution of any individual involved in a serious crime.
The reward should be no less than $10,000. If the gun is recovered, and is found to be used in the crime then and extra $5,000 will be added.
The pool needs not be greater than $400,000. The govt can recover the funds from business by requesting a one time voluntary contribution ranges from $250 - $500. I personally know that business will be glad to pay into this fund or pool.
There are a lot of hungry people who would gladly give up these criminals if it was worth their while.
The crack heads would turn in anyone they know for that kind of money. Eventually they would rat everyone out.
$10, 000 for any info leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in a serious crime or is in possession of an illegal firearm
Government need to employ
Government need to employ NON-CAYMANIAN police with brains, not designate money.
Bossman please spare us with
Bossman please spare us with your financial wiz program to pay for more incompetence.A special fund thats exactly what they need another pile of money 30 million was just alotted to them and they are having special fun wasting it. How about we sack those responsible for this crime situation as any reasonable country has or would do. This UK run Overseas Territory appears to reward ineptness and incompetence with promotions and title. All we get is gibberish and excuses although i must say they have improved alot lately to telling outright lies these days,much much better than before. They have imported the finest specimens of police from various jurisdictions and kept our dumbest. However in this crime situation that is occuring in our little society there is a peculiar thing it would appear that violent crime is only affecting a certain segment of our society. Maybe thats why our illustrious police appear to be unable to control it.Criminals are not dumb they fully understand perception and response. CNS posted a really good article of preceptions of crime sometime back in viewpoint it should be re post for some to read again .
police have been offered
police have been offered hitech solution - they are slow to adopt -
imagine if 3 minutes after the crime a text was sent to 10,000 phones across cayman... "robbery - 3 minutes ago - 3 masked men seen running from jerk stand in redbay"...and 2 minutes later a person responds to the text " just saw 3 suspicious guys enter a black suv license plate 123456"... then a new text " suspected robbers in black suv license plate 123456 leaving red bay area 6 minutes ago - anyone see this car?"
there is little chance that the car would get far on our "2 main road country"
the armed police could then quickly catch up with the car/suspects thru the use of their radios ... and deal with them accordingly
sms texts are almost free
mr. govenor please ask the police to implement this idea before we have senseless deaths...the system has been offered to the police for free by a local company
the system obviously has flaws - and may not work every time - but with the speed of text messages... many of the crooks would of been caught thru the alerting of people in the area minutes after the crime...
on another note - has anyone heard about the quantity/types of drugs circulating in the jail? is it a surprise freshly release prisoners are stealing to buy drugs? are drug addicts to blame for their desperation? who are the dealers? and how quick can the dealers be shut down? are there police involved in the distribution of drugs?
mr govenor, please take responsibility for the police and their success/failures...
What an excellent idea! You
What an excellent idea! You mean, a kind of "Island Watch"?
I heard the young man is
I heard the young man is being sent to the US for treatment. The best hospitals for eyes in the US are John Hopkins in Baltimore, Maryland or Massachusetts Eye and Ear in Boston, Ma.
Not sure if the family has a choice or the funds, but if my family had a serious eye injury...that is where we would try to get to.
My prayers go out to the young man and his family.
Bush's slush fund would be
Bush's slush fund would be ideal for this.
“ These are dangerous
“ These are dangerous individuals who need to be caught before they injure or kill some other innocent person ,” said Detective Sergeant Wright. “
This is not a time to be funny but I found this to be an extremely STUPID remark especially "before they injure or kill some other innocent person". So what do you call being shot in the eye? Does that not count as INJURE?
It's just like the police still not in emergency mode!! What does it take.
I believe ALL POLITICIANS both UDP and PPM need to come down on the Governor and Police for RESULTS. This is their citizens their voters being killed and shot and robbed. This is something that need not be politically driven.
Dred, I like much of you
Dred, I like much of you write but you are a bit incoherent on this one. First, I have no idea why you think what the Det. Sgt. said was stupid. Perhaps you missed the word "other" in his statement. Then you go on to say that all politicians should put pressure on the Governor and the police but end with the apparently contradictory conclusion that it is not something that should be "politically driven". Did you mean that it should not be a partisan issue?
So much for the line "no
So much for the line "no shots were fired and no one was harmed". I pray that the good people take back your island.
Let’s be honest, these three
Let’s be honest, these three persons have mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, girlfriends and other family members. The family members will not give up their sons or relatives and they never will. All these persons will say is their son would never do this, even if they know they do.
I am not sure if you have observed over the last several robberies but there on a majority of these crimes there have been three people involved, are these the same three people committing these robberies, all they do is rob a few places over a week get cash, then stop for a couple of weeks, then start again. I’m sure if you go home and see your kids, boyfriends not working but are able to pay for gas and going to the clubs they must be doing something wrong.
Crime has got out of hand and we need to form some sort of national security group, not the police, a unit that can specifically look into and investigate this, then deal with the guys. I recall reading a year or so ago persons writing about this unit. The Premier needs to push this unit up and running.
To the Commissioner, Mr. Baines, I see one problem happening in the next year, members of the public are scared and what you are going to find is that they are soon going to be arming themselves with illegal firearms. I never use to think that we should be allowed firearms arms but with all these crimes going on I believe I personally need one now as I am sure some of you now feel.
Lastly; everyone that knows persons who are committing these crimes need to stand up and give this info to crime stops, @@@@ the reward. If you do not assist us catching these persons maybe your children are going to be the next victim, and you are going to cry and pray, but you maybe have been able to prevent this from happening.
This is so sad - that this
This is so sad - that this young man should have to lose an eye, and most likely suffer other injuries because of this madness. This is what the public should be marching about - instead of supporting power hungry politicians!!!!!
arrange the march and I will
arrange the march and I will join in.
Yea, me too, where are these
Yea, me too, where are these three amigos, you guys want to arrange a march to rid the crime ...i didn't think so...no political milage in it for you?
XXX.....you're helping
XXX.....you're helping someone clean up and you get you eye shot out. Scum of the earth and the parents that didn't raise them. Hats off to all of you Baby Faddas and loose women out their. You and your spawn are lower than turds. You have no place in Society. XXXX
(Intelligently Aggressive)
(Intelligently Aggressive) please tell us what part? So much foolishness going on on this island. before God we are all equally wise- and equally foolish. RCIPS=Big Joke!
Very sad when i heard this on
Very sad when i heard this on the radio this morning.
First thing i thought when it was reported they ran toward the public school is that they knew where they were going. Not because they had arrived days earlier, looked for a successful business, planned an escape, they just knew.
If in danger i would never run towards an enclosed area that i did not know what was on the other side. Especially a school that typically has a fenced yard.
Police, you are looking for three people that have been customers at the stand. They live in the area. They played in the area as kids. You have their names... They went to that public school.
You have a list of names of men who attended that school, go back up to 15 years. Cross of the many who have made something of themselves, cross of the ones who have left the country, cross of the ones who died young or are in Northward.
You will end up with less than a dozen, go ask them where they were last night.
Good stuff Sherlock. Send it
Good stuff Sherlock. Send it to the cops.
Times has changed, so by
Times has changed, so by that the things and people change, it’s harder to live now a day’s. Back in the “old days” life was much simpler, people where more humble. Now a day’s people want more than they can account for and have no ambition to get it the right way, so their ignorance gets the best of them by them going out and committing these vicious crimes and taken other people’s life accountable for
Things will only keep getting worst. The people who do these crimes, don’t you think they think about these acts before they do it?! There’s no stopping a man when he’s made his mind up, unless you stop him in his tracks and tie him down. Until you can master that, mind reading or you can see into the future’ these things will ALWAYS happen.
We live and we die. All I’m saying is; you want to get something out of life for yourself, live good with God, and work for things the right way.
Sincerely,
A struggling Caymanian, who works hard for what she has/wants and if she can’t get it (no matter how much it upsets her) she will just have to make-do without.
after such a hideous attack
after such a hideous attack on an innocent individual last night in red bay i want to ask the rcip this question, when something like that happens last night shouldn't the entire police force be on high alert?
if so then why were there five (5) police cars parked in the parking lot of the west bay police station at 8am being washed by a mobile car wash company?
they should be patrolling the streets to ensure that an attack like this didn't happen again. another question i have is who is paying for these police cars to be professionally cleaned? is this the reason that the rcip needs such a big budget?
And they say demonstraying
And they say demonstraying will drive away investors?
And still our government
And still our government refuses to do anything that might inconvenience the thugs - professional courtesy???
I dont think that the finger
I dont think that the finger should be pointed at the police, more toward's the government!
The police in Cayman may be iliterate and uneducated but lets be honest they get paid very little for putting their lives at risk each day.
It is the Governments responsability to provide education, training and jobs, so that the people of Cayman should not have to turn to crime for a living. It is the governments responsability to have effective Customes to prevent Guns and Drugs from entering the islands and it is the Governments responsabilty to attract new commerce to these shores.
Who is going to want to come visit theislands, set up business here with the esculating Crime here in Cayman ?
Why havent the Government got projects underway for the Cruise Ship Terminal, Hospital, extension for the runway, finished the Schools ? All things that would create jobs, increase spending, reduce crime, increase long term cash flow and make the sialnd more appealing to investment!
Without the investmetn from DART announced recently their really would be very little positive for Cayman to look forward too!
Mac......XXXXX, increase the police force, introduce new laws and think of the people of Cayman and Cayman future instead of yourself !
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